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Yeah, okay? And? What are you trying to say. That Apple has 3+ years retention? 5? 1.5? What are you saying? Apple's employee turnover is very high, no matter what data you look into. Even 2-3 years is a lot less than ideal. People used to make 20-30 years long carriers at certain companies, and a burnt out employee who silent-quits the last 2 years of employment indicates what? It indicates Apple is a bad employer. Working for Apple is hell and you're forced to pretend you enjoy it, otherwise you're either pushed out or fired on a PIP. Even with a big, big, huge blind eye to the stats we do have, even 2 year rate is very little for a company for which "everyone wants to work".

I think a large chunk of folks tolerate working at Apple just to get it on their résumé.
 
he is not facing any criminal charges, you can't sue someone in to prison!
Yet.

"Apple is seeking a court order requiring Liu to return the allegedly stolen materials and allow inspection of his devices and accounts to verify that no Apple confidential information remains. The company is also pursuing unspecified financial damages for breach of contract and misappropriation of trade secrets."

Felony theft is a crime so criminal charges will depend on what they discover. For example, if there is evidence that his new job with Snap was unofficially based on his bringing trade secret data with him. The dude couldn't hide the tracks on his MacBook so I bet there are incriminating emails or messages.
 
Idiot. Just take pictures of the documents on your personal phone, don't save them to a company computer. Especially when you work for a damn tech company. How can you be smart enough to work at Apple, yet so damn stupid at the same time?

Apple's contract does reserve their "right" to search your private hardware before you leave as well.
 
Those "higher ups" are literally scrambling to stay relevant, they're so comfortable they literally can't see how much of a good talent they loose every 1.7 years on average. They don't add as much value as a senior product engineer can. And if they can't keep him motivated and make him stay, then they are doing a very bad job at what they became comfortable not doing.
One of them does a presentation called “stump the programmer” and is employee #8. The other controls all the privacy features throughout their business and helped get Apple on the track of Objective-C and later Swift along with being a team member on the original Macintosh and later a founding member of NeXT. Most of Apple’s low retention is due to temporary, QA, and retail employees, along with lower level employees refusing to return to work after COVID.
 
Yet.

"Apple is seeking a court order requiring Liu to return the allegedly stolen materials and allow inspection of his devices and accounts to verify that no Apple confidential information remains. The company is also pursuing unspecified financial damages for breach of contract and misappropriation of trade secrets."

Felony theft is a crime so criminal charges will depend on what they discover. For example, if there is evidence that his new job with Snap was unofficially based on his bringing trade secret data with him. The dude couldn't hide the tracks on his MacBook so I bet there are incriminating emails or messages.

that quote doesn't stay anything about the possibility of criminal charges

criminal charges would depend on a district attorney deciding to lay those charged, not on what if anything is found on his devices, assuming apple convinces the court to allow inspection of his devices
 
He signed an IP agreement that his work for Apple is Apple’s. This case will be decided based on the law and he will have to return the document that he stole.
 
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You can get 2-20 for stealing a car; trade secret data is far more valuable than a car.

one could argue any "secrets" about the Vision Pro are far less valuable than a rusted chassis on bricks ¯\\(ツ)/¯

also, you still can't sue someone in to prison

if someone steals your car, and you want them to go to prison, you have to call the police, that hasn't happened here
 
What if it was his own work he "stole"? I know if you sign yourself up with Apple, they claim all your work is theirs. I do have some degree of understanding for the employee here.

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He signed an agreement that stated that the work that he did for Apple is Apple’s property, not his. This is a standard agreement when you work for a company with intellectual property. He stole the data and he should return the data and face the consequences of steeling.
 
that quote doesn't stay anything about the possibility of criminal charges

criminal charges would depend on a district attorney deciding to lay those charged, not on what if anything is found on his devices, assuming apple convinces the court to allow inspection of his devices
An article of MR isnt going to contain Apple's full private legal strategy.

Criminal charges will depend on the extent of what was stolen and its financial impact, but you can get prison time for stealing a car. If the discovery shows that the data just remained on his private computer the charges will be lower than if it has been transferred somewhere else.
 
One of them does a presentation called “stump the programmer” and is employee #8. The other controls all the privacy features throughout their business and helped get Apple on the track of Objective-C and later Swift along with being a team member on the original Macintosh and later a founding member of NeXT. Most of Apple’s low retention is due to temporary, QA, and retail employees, along with lower level employees refusing to return to work after COVID.

You can't take a few higher up individuals and say Apple doesn't have a high turnover rate. What's the point of that...it's like saying we have top 5 millionaires so the rest of the 5 million people in the country are doing perfectly fine (they're not).
 
This guy probably has a 160 IQ but still dumb enough to not know that corporations have spyware installed on their computers to monitor every move to protect trade secrets.
No spyware is needed, all computers log what is done on the computer and you have no right to privacy on company issued devices. He would not have an IQ over 100 at best for doing something so stupid. Apple has every right to protect their IP and trade secrets.
 
one could argue any "secrets" about the Vision Pro are far less valuable than a rusted chassis on bricks ¯\\(ツ)/¯

also, you still can't sue someone in to prison

if someone steals your car, and you want them to go to prison, you have to call the police, that hasn't happened here
That is just your opinion about the value of the IP that was stolen.
 
stupid of apple to allow any leaver (regardless of the reason) to have access to confidential info that they wouldn't want others to see from the second they submit their resignation to the day they actually leave.

i mean, there is nothing to stop them from simply remembering all that info with no need to copy it.
Evidence indicates that the guy was not that smart. If he had developed anything, he would have been able to reproduce it, learning from the mistakes they was made the first time.
 
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This guy probably has a 160 IQ but still dumb enough to not know that corporations have spyware installed on their computers to monitor every move to protect trade secrets.
It depends, installing spyware would be illegal over here. You cannot spy on your employees in that way in Germany, but I guess in the USA Apple is within its rights...

That said, copying it from his work laptop to their private cloud is just dumb. Backing it to a USB stick or SD card that he happened to "forget" to hand in, you might get away with. And waiting until you have handed in your notice, before looking at copying the files is also dumb. Chances are, here, you'd be put straight on gardening leave.
 
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