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Evidence indicates that the guy was not that smart. If he had developed anything, he would have been able to reproduce it, learning from the mistakes they was made the first time.

Look him up on LinkedIn. He's not what I would call "not a smart guy". I'm really, really curious what makes someone with 7 years of work as a senior at Apple go ahead and do such a thing as leaving on bad terms taking his work with him. Not weird, no? At least he didn't end up like a certain unfortunate someone who worked for Sam Altman not long ago.
 
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Yeah, okay? And? What are you trying to say. That Apple has 3+ years retention? 5? 1.5? What are you saying? Apple's employee turnover is very high, no matter what data you look into. Even 2-3 years is a lot less than ideal. People used to make 20-30 years long carriers at certain companies, and a burnt out employee who silent-quits the last 2 years of employment indicates what? It indicates Apple is a bad employer. Working for Apple is hell and you're forced to pretend you enjoy it, otherwise you're either pushed out or fired on a PIP. Even with a big, big, huge blind eye to the stats we do have, even 2 year rate is very little for a company for which "everyone wants to work".
Chill. You referenced a comparison between Apple retention rates and those of Google &c. Others pointed out that number was possibly skewed by Apple Retail, so the reference you provided maybe wasn't valid for the point being made, but you chose to project that as a slur on retail employees. So all I'm "trying" to say is exactly that, if you're comparing corporate turnover, only compare corporate turnover or the comparison is meaningless.
 
He committed felony theft and I bet the value of the data stolen would constitute first-degree felony theft.

Whether or not he gets locked up depends on how good his lawyer is, but I predict apple is going to bear their full legal weight against him as they should.
i don't think you know what any of these words mean. for the record there is no first degree felony theft, the closest charge i can think of is grand larceny, and in the state of CA, it would be grand theft, which under Penal Code 487. This occurs when the value of the stolen property or services exceeds $950, or when specific items like automobiles or firearms are stolen, regardless of their value. Grand theft can be charged as a felony, potentially leading to a prison sentence of up to three years
 
i don't think you know what any of these words mean. for the record there is no first degree felony theft, the closest charge i can think of is grand larceny, and in the state of CA, it would be grand theft, which under Penal Code 487. This occurs when the value of the stolen property or services exceeds $950, or when specific items like automobiles or firearms are stolen, regardless of their value. Grand theft can be charged as a felony, potentially leading to a prison sentence of up to three years
Yes while other states can have different degrees of felony, Felony Grand Theft in CA usually results in prison time, which is the point we are discussing.
 
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He was a senior product design engineer. Why even steal by downloading materials? And on the last days? He could have just used all the material slowly over years to understand and gain knowledge and either use it for his own advantage (with another employer) or climb the ladder at Apple. And no one would suspect a thing. These documents aren’t as complicated as you think they are. In his role, he would have understood quite a bit, and only some parts that were complicated he just needed to study more deeply.

Seems really stupid to do what he did. And now this article is going to come up with relation to this every time he’s looking for a job.
 
Yes while other states can have different degrees of felony, Felony Grand Theft in CA usually results in prison time, which is the point we are discussing.
given that this is probably his 1st offense, if the DA does decide to pursue a charge of grand theft(which i doubt cause their caseloads are always overloaded), it would count as a misdemeanor, to a similar degree of someone stealing an iphone from the apple store given the value is capped at $950.

additionally there is no such a thing as 1st degree theft, unlike murder where the degrees of it can differ based on Mens Rea, theft does not penalize based on differentials of purposeful, knowledge, or recklessness.
 
Yes while other states can have different degrees of felony, Felony Grand Theft in CA usually results in prison time, which is the point we are discussing.

Grand theft in California is not automatically a felony, it could also be charged as a misdemeanour

Which, AGAIN, would be up to the prosecutor

Apple can “bear their full legal weight on him” as you said, but Apple still can’t put him in prison.

What’s terrifying is that you and others seems to feel like they should be able to. Sort of explains why your country is going in the direction that it is
 
He was a senior product design engineer. Why even steal by downloading materials? And on the last days? He could have just used all the material slowly over years to understand and gain knowledge and either use it for his own advantage (with another employer) or climb the ladder at Apple. And no one would suspect a thing. These documents aren’t as complicated as you think they are. In his role, he would have understood quite a bit, and only some parts that were complicated he just needed to study more deeply.

Seems really stupid to do what he did. And now this article is going to come up with relation to this every time he’s looking for a job.

maybe he just wanted an archive of his own work
 
maybe he just wanted an archive of his own work
correct, this could be his possible defense, it could be argued that its an industry standard to show prior projects for future employment opportunities, i know tons of engineers had to cite prior work when asked about past work experience.
 
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Employees hired in key positions can be required to sign non-compete agreements to prevent them from jumping to a competitor right away without the employers consent. Those grandfathered in could also be incentivized with a bonus if they agree to sign an agreement. The noncompete could require a separation of 6 months to 2 years before they’re allowed to sign with a competitor, or they could take any other job not directly related to their specialty right away.
 
Chill. You referenced a comparison between Apple retention rates and those of Google &c. Others pointed out that number was possibly skewed by Apple Retail, so the reference you provided maybe wasn't valid for the point being made, but you chose to project that as a slur on retail employees. So all I'm "trying" to say is exactly that, if you're comparing corporate turnover, only compare corporate turnover or the comparison is meaningless.

Yeah I guess you're right. Still Apple does have a high turnover rate.
 
What if it was his own work he "stole"? I know if you sign yourself up with Apple, they claim all your work is theirs. I do have some degree of understanding for the employee here.

Because it's not "his" own work.

He's on the Apple campus, using Apple resources, working on projects Apple assigned, interacting with and deriving information from other Apple employees, applying Apple's principles and guidelines and other corporate IP.

This isn't just an Apple thing, this is literally every corporation. The employment contract is an exchange of money for a slice of labor. Whatever he contributed was done under this agreement.

If Apple somehow yanks all his pay back from his bank account, would you say you have an understanding for Apple because its really their money that they "stole" back?
 
Employees hired in key positions can be required to sign non-compete agreements to prevent them from jumping to a competitor right away without the employers consent. Those grandfathered in could also be incentivized with a bonus if they agree to sign an agreement. The noncompete could require a separation of 6 months to 2 years before they’re allowed to sign with a competitor, or they could take any other job not directly related to their specialty right away.
non competes are banned in california.
 
Apple's contract does reserve their "right" to search your private hardware before you leave as well.
Hmm has this been challenged in court? What would be the repercussions for someone who declines to allow this, despite hiving signed something agreeing to it?
 
What if it was his own work he "stole"? I know if you sign yourself up with Apple, they claim all your work is theirs. I do have some degree of understanding for the employee here.
No air-quotes needed, the guy stole massive amounts of data using his work laptop and tried to cover it up. He could be a genius in his field, but he’s still a thief. Apple should sue for damages but they’re better off without him. Don’t ever keep disreputable people even if they’re good at their job. You can never trust a person like that.

Anything that you create/develop during work hours or with work resources is owned by the company and not the employee.
 
Chill. You referenced a comparison between Apple retention rates and those of Google &c. Others pointed out that number was possibly skewed by Apple Retail, so the reference you provided maybe wasn't valid for the point being made, but you chose to project that as a slur on retail employees. So all I'm "trying" to say is exactly that, if you're comparing corporate turnover, only compare corporate turnover or the comparison is meaningless.
What we really need is a breakdown for engineering / programing turnover. It would be quite different from marketing turnover, for example. But if there is a turnover problem at Apple it is probably within areas that involve coding. (Just my guess)
 
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Apple's contract does reserve their "right" to search your private hardware before you leave as well.
i'm not so sure about this, if true, then there is significant privacy concern being invoked here, however, a judge could order the defendant to turn over such data in a limited scope during the discovery phrase, only if the plaintiff can prove sufficient need to requests for production of documents. FRCP §34
 
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