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I'm not trying to peg anything as a specific reaction to Samsung.

But the iBookstore was, in part, a reaction to Amazon and the success of the Kindle. And it made perfect sense if you're releasing a media consumption device.

iAds was in response to Google and other companies profiting off of in-app ads.

None of these are an issue with me. I'm not one that gets hot and bothered over who is first or who is better. I choose what's best for me and I don't really question what works for someone else since I don't walk in their shoes.

I don't care about who was first either. But I still argue that Apple continues to beat to its own drum while everyone is telling them they need to beat to someone else's drum.
 
Well, I thoery they're not listening to their customers at all.

They're listening to Samsung's customers....

:eek:

Well my point was - If Apple does it's own thing (regardless of what customers want) - the fact that some people in this forum (customers) are saying they don't want a larger phone, Apple is, indeed, doing it's own thing by releasing one as per these posters own "mantra."

I think iAds were more for the developers of apps to make alternative revenue then to Apple directly. It still might be a side benefit too.

Amazon first success was in starting in books before moving on to other avenues. While Apple is trying to break into the book market, they tend to at least break even money wise as far as the iTunes store is concerned. Which is really an opposite to what Amazon is doing, using its Kindle & Kindle fire to sell its products & services.

Any content they provide is more to support their hardware sales then to make the bulk of their profits.

iAds was originally a new revenue stream for Apple. The fact that they positioned it as good for developers was the side benefit.

iTunes does more than break even.
 
You're wrong. Jobs never said that.
He said that you don't want to listen to sudden trends which get replaced by new trends.
If someone says they want a bigger screen and don't come back to iPhone unless the demand is fulfilled by an iPhone, then that's that.

Never heard that… but he did apparently say:

"Customers can't anticipate what the technology can do. They won't ask for things that they think are impossible. But the technology may be ahead of them. If you happen to mention something, they'll say, ‘Of course, I'll take that. Do you mean I can have that, too?’ It sounds logical to ask customers what they want and then give it to them. But they rarely wind up getting what they really want that way."

Source: Inc, Apr. 1989

"It's really hard to design products by focus groups. A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them."

Source: Business Week, May 12 1998

See http://allaboutstevejobs.com/sayings/stevejobsquotes.php
 
I sort of liked when Apple didn't do what ever one else did - because thats me, the awkward alternative.

The most popular of anything is never the best.
 
If I want to get real work done, I'll use a full-fledged computer. The things people are doing, painstakingly, on mobile devices these days scare me. #OldPeopleProblems?

I think if you were to try the competition, you'd understand that it doesn't have to be painstaking to do work on a phone. The screen is part of the problem, but I think a much bigger part is the keyboard. Apple has done NOTHING to improve the productivity of the keyboard over the years. You can type much faster on the new Blackberry BB10 smartphones (touch or physical) or any Android with Swype or SwiftKey. I guess Apple figures if someone can learn to use it easily they've reached their goal, and productivity does not seem to be much of a priority for them. As much as I enjoyed my iPhone 4, I myself will not be buying another iPhone until they give serious effort into fixing their productivity issues, keyboard most of all.
 
If they end up listening to the market, then they'd be facing the "innovators dilemma" which Jobs (I believe highlighted as a favorite book). It's not about giving consumers what they want. Apple will fall behind listening to their customers' needs.

Edit: Apple can't get caught up in current needs. It needs to look to the future.

This.
 
The screen is part of the problem, but I think a much bigger part is the keyboard. Apple has done NOTHING to improve the productivity of the keyboard over the years. You can type much faster on the new Blackberry BB10 smartphones (touch or physical) or any Android with Swype or SwiftKey.

To each his own but I turned off the Swype garbage within 2 minutes on my Android device. Really not that great and I can type fast enough on the iPhone and the Android with the "Google Keyboard". Sliding across the screen and hoping it gets it right is not good at all.

What is needed is good autocorrect, something iOS does well. The Google keyboard is very close.
 
This article must have ruined the day of all the people who keeps saying "Apple isn't like samsung or microsoft, they're leader and don't question what others do, they just follow their plans".

Not.
 
Maybe they could factor in the customers who want a smartphone with a user-changable battery.

You can change the battery in an iOS device. And those that "swap batteries" are the exception not the norm. As long as the battery makes it 2-3 years everyone is happy since by that time most are looking for an upgrade.
 
Fragmentation.



Fragmentation.

I get you don't see the problem with larger screens, but as a developer if I develop a game for a larger screen iPhone, with better hardware than the smaller iPhones, you're going to miss out on apps. Welcome to the world of android.

Not when you can probably sell the same app twice (4" and 4.7") maybe even thrice (5.5").

Welcome to the world of Apple :)
 
Physical phone shape/size

Or phones, generally. It's almost as if the phone has evolved to meet homo sapiens' arrangement of ears and mouth.

Excellent point!

These days we use our eyes and fingers quite a bit which is where the flat larger screens factor in.

But based on the above, barring some new user interface (holographic, telepathic, etc), I'm not sure we'll get much super different. I vote for some kind of visual interaction via the camera (which could be huge) or something that has some other finger controls on back (or sides) of iPhone (which might be slightly incremental).

Gary
 
Not when you can probably sell the same app twice (4" and 4.7") maybe even thrice (5.5").

Welcome to the world of Apple :)

I doubt Apple will go beyond iPhone/iPad differentiations. But it will be up to developers to do/redo their apps to support the new screens.
 
So does this mean that the cost of the iPhone 6 will rise? :confused:

Apparently, as Apple is taking away the wrong information here. That or they just don't care for that $300 dollar market. Perhaps we will get a bigger screen with bigger price, under the guise of a iPhone Pro!
 
Apple's strategy since the late 90s (as it was for part of the 80s) was to wow people so much that customers couldn't wait to throw money at them for something they didn't even know they wanted a week before. They haven't had a major "wow" thing in a couple years. Maybe if they can get their watch working in a way no on expects, but everyone will want, they'll get it back. But without that excitement (from the general populous, not just the types who hang around sites like this), people are ok with something that's not quite as good if the price is significantly less ... at least as far as their perceptions tell them.

Of course, being super-excited about a product-line gets exhausting after a while, so they need to appeal to those for whom computers have always been in your pocket (at least since they've been consumers) and they need to do it with something new and very different. I started with an Apple ][+ and have been an passionate fan since (and almost exclusively except for some brief madness as dotnet programmer in the early '00s.). I'm kind of tired of being giddy; the only reason I want bigger is because my eyesight is starting to suck.

Thanks,

Jeff
 
The iPhone has been screaming for a bigger screen since its invention. Sadly, Apple chose not to do anything about it. Samsung saw an opportunity and nailed it.

The court cases against Samsung just continue to give them more viability as a threat. And sadly the world see this too.

Apple are happy strolling along taking their time, this is not an area for perfection but results.

I believe they are too late to the game, they will sell because the iPhone needs this update - it's just a shame it took a rival company to let them know.
 
It's too late, Apple are too slow in their updates. The competition has caught up.

June will be nothing but a disappointment. Apple have way to much to do, they're too far behind. Apple TV and iPhone need a BIG updates. And Apple just won't be able to deliver them, not for another couple of years. By which point Google & Samsung will have far surpassed Apple.

I love Apple and I wish I could kick someone's ass in their development team. But it needs kicking.

Not sure I if I'd go that far with your statements but when Apple didn't increase the size of the iPhone 5 screen significantly it switched over to Android. In some ways I feel that Apple has missed the ball completely when it comes to screen sizes and I'm sure they're feeling the pinch now, as shown in the documents during the current legal disclosures. What they do about it however is another matter entirely. In some ways their steadfast position on smaller screen sizes is going to be a detriment to keeping and gaining some customers.

Some may say that Apple doesn't care about market share but instead on quality but they sure do like to tout how many phones they sold during keynotes and PR releases. Apple *does* care about market share and they are very afraid of losing it to Android. So in a lot of ways they are in a defensive position now and have to fight to stay relevant. This "war" they're in with Android is very real.
 
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They haven't had a major "wow" thing in a couple years. Maybe if they can get their watch working in a way no on expects, but everyone will want, they'll get it back.

Seriously, we don't need a watch - this is a very bad move.

There is nothing to get excited about Apple launching such a product. Now this is something they CAN learn from Samsung!
 
I'll tell you what the problem is.

Today's mens pants are tight and tapered.
No wonder they are complaining, ANYTHING you put in your pockets in those style pants will be tight and too big.

Solution - Buy REAL men's pants LOL

Actually.... (sorry to burst your 1950's bubble)
There is NO "problem". There are only whiners that don't understand trade-offs.
I am in the camp of people that are VERY eager to own a larger-screened iPhone. I am also a professional male that wears off the rack pants that fit as closely to tailored as I am able to find. They both feel good and look good. I'm not into the 1980's saggy fake-gangster look, or whatever you ignorantly consider "REAL men's pants". Lol, how do you ignorant old bigots even figure out to use the internet??
This is 2014. REAL men have been wearing clothing that actually fit them for quite some time now.
I carry my iPad Air in a leather satchel; (think Indiana Jones, if you're having a difficult time imagining that as "manly" enough for you).. if the next iPhone is too bulky to carry comfortably in my pocket- it will reside there. Or... I will simply carry it in my hand, wear a blazer/jacket with a pocket, etc.
As I said- there is simply NO issue with a larger phone.
 
In some ways I feel that Apple has missed the ball completely when it comes to screen sizes and I'm sure they're feeling the pinch now, as shown in the documents during the current legal disclosures. What they do about it however is another matter entirely. In some ways their steadfast position on smaller screen sizes is going to be a detriment to keeping and gaining some customers.

I agree
 
Actually.... (sorry to burst your 1950's bubble)
There is NO "problem". There are only whiners that don't understand trade-offs.
I am in the camp of people that are VERY eager to own a larger-screened iPhone. I am also a professional male that wears off the rack pants that fit as closely to tailored as I am able to find. They both feel good and look good. I'm not into the 1980's saggy fake-gangster look, or whatever you ignorantly consider "REAL men's pants". Lol, how do you ignorant old bigots even figure out to use the internet??
This is 2014. REAL men have been wearing clothing that actually fit them for quite some time now.
I carry my iPad Air in a leather satchel; (think Indiana Jones, if you're having a difficult time imagining that as "manly" enough for you).. if the next iPhone is too bulky to carry comfortably in my pocket- it will reside there. Or... I will simply carry it in my hand, wear a blazer/jacket with a pocket, etc.
As I said- there is simply NO issue with a larger phone.

I think you took his post too seriously. I believe he was typing with tongue planted firmly in his cheek.
 
I myself am pretty happy with the more compact size of iPhones. I really hope they keep it well under 5'' in the future. It's what I usually like about Apple: they don't jump on the bandwagon without second thought. The reason why they kept screen size more compact is because they were convinced that the disadvantages (bulky, 1hand ergonomics) outweigh the benefits (more real estate). Which is also my personal preference.

Of course it impossible to satisfy all needs, and in the end they are nothing more than a company which needs to listen to the market, at least at some point… But from another point of view they are pretty much the last producer left producing high end compact smartphones, which could also be seen as a pro.
 
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