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4.7 is the ideal size for a smartphone nowadays. I was holding my friend's HTC One (2013) last night and it felt perfect in my hand.
 
I don't think Apple could have done a thing about some smartphone prices headed well south of $100 USD, and I don't think Apple has any intention of ever competing in that market:

http://www.businessinsider.com/its-a-race-to-the-bottom-2014-2

Its hard for :apple: to win in a market where the OS for the competition is free. Google wins when everyone on the planet has access to a smart phone and the internet that is full of their Ads. Google is trying to saturate the market with Android and Samsung was an excellent partner for that.

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What does revenue have to do with satisfying the demand/consumer?

High Revenues and Cash Flow is usually a sign that you are satisfying your customer base.
 
Samsung does develop the technology. Learn how the system works.

I have to agree with the previous poster.
I'm not aware of anything Samsung manufactures for Apple where they operate as more than a "dumb" factory- for example: processors, that they did not design, merely produce en masse... etc.
Certainly I am unaware of something innovative that Samsung & Samsung alone has created and as such, is the only supplier for said amazing technology to Apple.... What in particular were you referencing??
 
If not, there are a gazillion places that will replace an iPhone battery for you. We have one in our mall. Heck, Apple will do it in store for $79 which is not bad for a genuine battery. Most cell phone batteries retail for $39-59 so it's still not a bad price.
That's $79 for the battery, and $70 for the Genius' time. Apple doesn't let you buy parts from their stores, even if you know how to mount it.
 
I have to agree with the previous poster.
I'm not aware of anything Samsung manufactures for Apple where they operate as more than a "dumb" factory- for example: processors, that they did not design, merely produce en masse... etc.
Certainly I am unaware of something innovative that Samsung & Samsung alone has created and as such, is the only supplier for said amazing technology to Apple.... What in particular were you referencing??

Well - innovation comes in all shapes and sizes.

For example - how many companies are able to provide Apple with what they need in the quantities they need it and at the price point they can? Not many. Samsung's manufacturing process is what makes that happen.

I don't marginalize what Apple brings to the table. At the same time, one shouldn't marginalize other companies that enable that vision to be executed on and how they manage to make that happen.
 
I always find it funny when people mock Apple in this manner. It should be obvious by now that what they say in public isn't what they do in private. Case in point, Steve Jobs was ranting against 7inch tablets when in fact, Apple was already developing the iPad mini. There's no reason to not believe based on instances such as this, that Apple hasn't been testing larger iPhones and OLED for quite some time. They just never release their products when the public in our infinite wisdom thinks they should. They usually wait until it meets their internal qualifications, which I seem to think is a good thing because everytime someone else rushed into a technology, once Apple finally did it was always more mature and better integrated. Look how long they used coreduo cpu's. With them it's always size, design, battery life, performance. Everyone else is trying to run up a spec sheet to get us excited and buy it because it's the latest thing, then when tech sites like Anandtech does extensive research they find that the older iPhones still beat the latest and greatest in many tests. Which is probably why my 2007 Macbook Pro can run Mavericks and CS6 while I seriously doubt my old Dell can without any headaches.
 
I dont want a "cheap" phone. I want a nice phone that is build with quality in mind. I dont want my phone to be much, if any bigger than my 4s!

I want a phone that is this size, quality built and has a god damn battery that can last double what it does now!!!
 
That's $79 for the battery, and $70 for the Genius' time. Apple doesn't let you buy parts from their stores, even if you know how to mount it.

So? What do I care how it's done? Sure, I could do it myself cheaper but if my battery dies and I need one today there's Apple at the mall or somewhere else. Pricing is different at different stores.
 
It does seem like a wiser course would be to release the 4.7 and see how it does. If people eat it up, then go for the 5.5 next cycle.

That's typical Apple. Release just one size/color/format and make everyone wait another 6 month to a year to see the "s" version (or whatever it might be). It's no wonder people jump ship to other brands.

Since Apple isn't cash-strapped, how about releasing a 4.7 AND a 5.5" at the same time? For once, give Apple customers a CHOICE.

I can see the headline now "Apple releases TWO sizes of iPhones simultaneously for the first time in their history!"
 
Most consumers desire a larger phone, not all. I hope they continue to make little compact phones for you guys.

You edited your post. The strongest demand comes from cheaper larger phones, according to the slide. That doesn't mean that Apple will actually follow through on that, they ignored the cheaper smaller PCs known as ePC for example, which also only differentiated on size and price.
 
I personally just like using one hand to do everything on my iPhone 5.

Well good for you.

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I'm probably in the minority, but I hope they still make 4" versions in the future. There's still a large group of people who would prefer easy one handed operation.

If rumors are true, then the additonal .7" of space is not a huge difference over the current size of the 5s, and won't effect your preferred one-handed operation. So no worries.
 
If rumors are true, then the additonal .7" of space is not a huge difference over the current size of the 5s, and won't effect your preferred one-handed operation. So no worries.

Well, it definitely won't make a difference if they continue to update the 4" model, like they should. I still know many people who actually prefer the 3.5" model.
 
If consumers want a cheap large phone, why was the 5C a flop? Because that's not what the consumer wants, it's what the Android consumer wants.
 
Duh!!!

I have been saying for (2) years that Apple needs to drop prices with the market, while I mostly refereed to iPad's, I also considered iPhone to be stretching it.

A gold plated mouse trap will not appeal to people who just want a mouse trap!

Why should Apple drop their prices? They've always positioned themselves as an aspirational and premium brand. That is who they are.

I don't think Apple's goal is to be the #1 mobile phone manufacturer in the world like Samsung or Sony would like to be. Rather, Apple's goal is all about delivering the best product experience possible.

Don't get your hopes up about them dropping prices anytime soon. They're not a discount brand.
 
If consumers want a cheap large phone, why was the 5C a flop?
1) the 5c wasn't cheap in absolute terms
2) the 5c wasn't cheap in comparative terms versus the 5s
3) the 5c wasn't large, it was Apple-sized
4) the 5c was mostly bought by people who preferred the casing
 
Do you really think that Tim Cook or Johnny Ive think any differently about product vision than Jobs? They are all of the same visionary mindset.

I do think they are different and it's evident especially when you read the Jobs bio THEN look at Apple products (s/w and h/w) post-Jobs.

Tim Cook IS NEITHER a Job's clone NOR a visionary of any sort. He's a smart guy, but product development and "big picture" ideas have never been his strong suit, or his job description. Getting product from point A to point B in the least expensive manner and making sure it's in stock, but not overstocked, is his claim to "fame." He is a manager's manager, but that is the last station on his train route.

Johnny Ive is a brilliant man, probably the smartest guy at Apple right now. But he thrived under Jobs because Jobs could (nit)pick his creations until they were pitch perfect consumer-compatible and understandable. Ive needs someone like Jobs to hone his creations and right now I'm not sure there is anyone at Apple that can do that. It certainly is not Cook.
 
You edited your post. The strongest demand comes from cheaper larger phones, according to the slide. That doesn't mean that Apple will actually follow through on that, they ignored the cheaper smaller PCs known as ePC for example, which also only differentiated on size and price.
My original post remains. Also, they did have the eMac. Mac mini. They did not "ignore" the cheaper smaller PCs. That's incorrect as well.
 
It's no wonder people jump ship to other brands.

Except that, at least in the U.S., iPhone users are not switching to other brands, so your statement appears to be made out of whole cloth. See: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...es-iPhone-time-smartphone-buyers-Samsung.html

What Apple and all these reports of late are saying is that growth & real demand for the current 4" size is saturated; i.e., the majority of new sales are replacement phones not new users. Therefore, the best way for Apple to reinvigorate growth is to release a larger screen size to attract new customers and also take share away from Android. Of course price is also an issue as most people who buy an Android phone also do so because it's less expensive, and commoditizing its products isn't a place Apple likes to go.
 
People keep citing the innovator's dilemma - that Apple won't innovate if they listen to consumers. But there's difference between:

Consumers in 2007: We think a physical keyboard is better.
Apple: Trust us, you don't need a physical keyboard.
Consumers in 2008: Now that we've tried it, Apple was right.

and

Consumers in 2013: I think a bigger screen is better.
Apple: Trust us, a 4" screen is the best size.
Consumers in 2014: Meh, I still think a bigger screen is better.

The first is innovation that succeeds in changing perception - resulting in Apple as leader. The second is marketing that fails to change perception - resulting in Apple as follower.
 
For some reason, I was pretty sure that Apple would give us a large screen iPhone. haha. I'm not one of those I WANTZ BIG SCEEN PHONE CUZ ANDROID HAZ IT... but I know Apple will do a gorgeous job on it.
 
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