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How does iTunes match handle files across multiple computers and multiple iDevices? I'd like to use it across my 3 computers, ipad and 2 iphones if possible.

Once you log in, you get a list of all your music, you click one you want to listen to and it downloads. You can also say download all.
 
I don't know first-hand, but I think this is incorrect. I believe you can sync what you want via itunes, and what you don't sync, you will have to download/cache stream from the cloud.

No ... Once you switch the iTunes Match setting in iOS, it removes the library on your device.

Then you can re-download what you want, either via Playlist, Album, Artist, or individual songs.
 
No ... Once you switch the iTunes Match setting in iOS, it removes the library on your device.

Then you can re-download what you want, either via Playlist, Album, Artist, or individual songs.

That... is frustrating as hell

and I thought syncing over wifi took a long time. Re-downloading 15+GB of music is going to take forever, even on WiFi
 
I'm curious if iTunes Match will "download on demand" on your iDevice say, when you start playing a playlist but some of the songs haven't been pulled down yet, or, as I often do, have your entire library set to shuffle. Will iTunes Match automatically pull down the next song on the list or skip all the songs you haven't manually pulled down?
 
I struggled with iTunes Match through beta development. I'm happy to let each and every one of you be the first to jump feet first into this public release and report back.

Tip: Back up your entire iTunes folder. You're gonna need it.
 
One thing I would tell people is clean up iTunes before it starts, it will want to up load everything and you can't select what you want to upload. I had some audiobooks I rip that I did not want in the cloud. I was glad when they deleted everything in the beta...
 
im thinking songs from the iTunes will probably have some sort of DRM for downloaded songs, maybe?

Nope, the Match announcement specifically said the files have no DRM.

it'll match whatever is in your library. iTunes purchases wont count towards the 25,000

What happens if there are more than 25k songs in the library? Does it say you have to upgrade to a bigger plan, does it only match the first 25k, or is there a way to exclude songs to get it down to 25k?

So what if you have songs in your iTunes library that you downloaded from Amazon or some other place, will they work with iTunes Match?

Yep, that's exactly what it's for - songs ripped from CD, bought from other online sources, anything not purchased from iTunes.

The good new is: you don't have to care if it is matched or not - if it doesn't match it is getting uploaded and it is transparent for all your devices if it is matched or uploaded, it just doesn't make a difference (at least not until you hit the 230000 upload song limit, which I am unfortunately pretty close to). So you win either way uploaded or matched.

Doesn't it also make a difference once you hit the 5 gig limit? Which could be around 1000 songs, which some people could probably go over easily.

My stuff is all encoded at higher rates - so will this service perminantly "dumb" down my music quality. Of course, anything listened to in the cloud will be at the lower 256, but will it effect my actual library?

It shouldn't, it's only supposed to upgrade files, and it sounds like even to do that you have to remove the old files so it downloads new ones.

The upside of that is the cloud will replace 128kbps songs with 256kbps. However it will also replace a 1500kbps with a 256kbps song.

The cloud always plays back 256k songs. But on your computer it won't replace higher bitrate songs unless those files are actually missing.
 
So, wait.... unmatched/uploaded songs count towards your free 5GB plan?

No.

Doesn't it also make a difference once you hit the 5 gig limit? Which could be around 1000 songs, which some people could probably go over easily.

There is no space limit for iTunes match and it does not count against your iCloud space, they are completely different. The only cap is a 25k limit for songs.
 
As someone who is always manually correcting the meta-information on the tracks as I'm importing them from CD's; I wonder how this will work (or not) once the matching services goes live?

Meta info is not provided by iTunes store the last time I checked.
 
Where I'm confused is will iTunes Macth let me insert a CD to match? Or do I have to convert it to files and then match from the files? It seems like a really inconvenient process for new discs.
I have seen NOTHING that leads me to believe you could insert your disc and let iTunes see that you have it, granting you access to their digital files. And I've read plenty on the subject. How many discs do you buy at a time? I don't see how it's any more work for you than before. It's the same process. Except now, you get the benefit of having those songs on any of your iOS devices AND you have peace of mind, knowing that if your main computer blows a gasket, at least your music is safe in the Cloud.

And while I've ripped all my CDs at one time or another I'm not sure if (I can find them all) if they'll even match.
Which way do you want it? With CD as a key or without? Seems you're not happy either way.

Bottomline, no one will need discs — whatever files are on your computer are the keys to the music. However, it's all tied to your Apple ID and to you. Share those files and run the risk of getting caught red-handed.
 
No.



There is no space limit for iTunes match and it does not count against your iCloud space, they are completely different. The only cap is a 25k limit for songs.

But if I have over 25k (I have 50k), I can't use the service at all?
 
How did you do that, was there a way to exclude them from Match or did you have to actually remove them from the iTunes library?

i literally went through my library and deleted songs. took a couple days (not straight 24 hours but spread out).
 
tell me...

Please for the love of god tell me they won't make me convert all my stuff to some proprietary copy written patented format? I have everything in FLAC and lossy copies of the same in OGG, surely ... they ... won't pull that crap again that they did with iTunes where you had to transcode every d**n song you want on your iPhone into mp3??
 
There is no space limit for iTunes match and it does not count against your iCloud space, they are completely different. The only cap is a 25k limit for songs.

Wow, that almost seems too good to be true, especially since uploaded songs can be higher bitrates.

Hypothetically if someone had 25k songs and none matched, they would all upload. At 5 megs per song, that's 125 gigs, which is huge. If they are longer songs or higher bitrate, that could be even higher.

That would be great if that ends up being true, but I have to say I'm skeptical until the service is released and it still works that way. Seems like Apple is opening themselves up to losing money on some users.
 
i literally went through my library and deleted songs. took a couple days (not straight 24 hours but spread out).

Ouch, that's a giant pain and not really an option for any users who want to keep everything in iTunes but not put all of it in the cloud. If the library has more than 25k, what does Match do?

Thanks for the info.

Please for the love of god tell me they won't make me convert all my stuff to some proprietary copy written patented format? I have everything in FLAC and lossy copies of the same in OGG, surely ... they ... won't pull that crap again that they did with iTunes where you had to transcode every d**n song you want on your iPhone into mp3??

I don't think iTunes supports FLAC or OGG (at least without some extra hacking, which might not work with Match), mp3 or AAC would work. If you don't have any of your music files in iTunes I doubt you'd be interested in this service anyway.
 
Third, there's no more controlling what and what does not get synced to your iPhone. I have lots of music sitting on my computer that I don't want on my iPhone. With iTunes match you're forced to see every song on your phone.
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False, there is a setting under Music to "Show All Music". With this setting turned on, it says "All music that has been downloaded or that is stored in iCloud will be shown".
 
Wow, that almost seems too good to be true, especially since uploaded songs can be higher bitrates.

Hypothetically if someone had 25k songs and none matched, they would all upload. At 5 megs per song, that's 125 gigs, which is huge. If they are longer songs or higher bitrate, that could be even higher.

That would be great if that ends up being true, but I have to say I'm skeptical until the service is released and it still works that way. Seems like Apple is opening themselves up to losing money on some users.

Well that's how it's working in Beta. Things can change of course, but I doubt it.

The only thing I can foresee changing is upping the hard cap - but that might be down the road after it's released.
 
I have seen conflicting reports onhow this will work.....I am hoping that once I upload my library to the cloud that I can access this material via stream service and therefore not have to have the music take up space on my device.....I thought this was the entire point...but now I am seeing some reports that the music still has to be on your device taking up space...can anyone clear this up? ????
My advice is buy an external device and periodically back up all of your music. However, ONCE your music has been Matched/Upload the rest that won't match, you can then delete ALL of the songs on any of your devices and then download them as you need to hear, INCLUDING from the computer you originally Matched/Uploaded with. This will big news for people who have their music on a laptop where space is a premium.

At this point, elect to buy the plan every year and you're safe. Again, I would highly advise to make a backup of your own to be on the safe side. Externals are cheap enough now that this should be economical for just about anyone.
 
I'm surprised we still don't have a real answer about how metadata and ratings work, whether they are preserved with new downloaded files on the computer or sent over the cloud to mobile devices.

And what happens with libraries with more than 25k songs or more than 5 gigs of unmatched songs? Is there any option to exclude certain material or does it still just give an error for the whole library?

Meta data is transferred over to the new device. Ratings sync - rating a song on one computer will update it on all devices (or changing a rating will have the same effect). No idea about other things - play count etc because I haven't tested them personally - I assume they transfer as well.

The only limit as of now is the 25k hard limit - there is no space limit and it does not count towards your iCould storage.

Also - matching has gotten a lot better as the beta has progressed.
 
Well that's how it's working in Beta. Things can change of course, but I doubt it.

The only thing I can foresee changing is upping the hard cap - but that might be down the road after it's released.

is there any place we can find all of this information? I know a lot of this is first hand, but it seems like we have to ask all of the questions and there is little organization...
 
What if I only pay once? Will all of the matched songs still be available once the year is over? Once a song is matched is it always matched? To download to a new computer, for example?

I would have to assume that if it wasn't purchased through Apple that at the end of the first year your non-iTunes songs will disappear from the iMatch (Cloud). But if you download them all first you will have the songs (I assume).

Gary
 
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