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Apple Ad "Two is better than one"

Hmm

Reading this message thread. Am I missing something? Dumb this down.. LOL

This commercial is not about who's network is better than the others. Apple is not going to market, advertise anything to that point. the only purpose of this commerical was to highlight you can buy the iPhone from 2 different carriers. Why do people try to turn this commerical into a ATT vs Verizon bash feast.

Truth of the matter it all depends were you are at whether AT&T or Verizzon is a better network. Pure and simple. Where I am at Verizon runs circles around AT&T. My pages load faster and I almost always have 3G even inside buildings while at work. But at Home 3G is spotty sometimes.

This commerical is prefect and straight to the point. Apple.. "Look at us, we offer a great smartphone of 2 carries now.. you have a choice"

Not AT&T Facetime works on this network or that network. For those on Verizon, we have no idea on what they are going to offer, price, Facetime, Hotspot. All of it is unknown. You must wait.

Okay.. said my peace. LOL
 
applemagic123 said:
And the parts where they only show ONE iPhone is the one that is on verizon because it probably would have been slower on the att one, so they didn't show them side by side for that moment.
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Yeah, the didn't show a page loading comparison, just a double-tap to zoom side by side.
 
Small White Car said:
Ok, I like the ad but I call fowl on Facetime being in the ad.

AT&T does not allow Facetime on its network. It's total BS to show it in an ad that's about their network and to make it worse they show Facetime immediately before lowering the phone to show the AT&T logo behind the phone.

That's not cool at all. I pretty much consider that part of the ad a lie. I mean, how else are you supposed to interpret that other than to think AT&T has Facetime? They don't.

(And I'm only giving Verizon a pass here because they haven't announced yet if they'll allow Facetime. This will also apply to that half of the ad if they end up saying they don't support it.)
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My swag is this. They are both equal demos. That is you can do Facetime on both an AT&T or a Verizon iPhone 4 for the initial setup call. Then the video data feeds via WiFi as now.

Another big swag, when the iPhone 4G is launched later this year. Facetime via 4G will be available on both the AT&T and Verizon phone at the same time.

I'm taking bets! Who wants to lay some down?
 
Small White Car said:
Ok, I like the ad but I call fowl on Facetime being in the ad.

AT&T does not allow Facetime on its network. It's total BS to show it in an ad that's about their network and to make it worse they show Facetime immediately before lowering the phone to show the AT&T logo behind the phone.

That's not cool at all. I pretty much consider that part of the ad a lie. I mean, how else are you supposed to interpret that other than to think AT&T has Facetime? They don't.

(And I'm only giving Verizon a pass here because they haven't announced yet if they'll allow Facetime. This will also apply to that half of the ad if they end up saying they don't support it.)
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It's not exactly AT&T that doesn't allow FaceTime on its network. At the moment FaceTime isn't possible on any carrier around the world. It's not like tethering a few months ago where the functionality was there but AT&T didn't support it, the functionality for FaceTime over 3G simply doesn't exist at moment.

So with Verizon it's not something they can simply choose to support or not support. Apple has to add the functionality first.
 
Small White Car said:
Ok, I like the ad but I call fowl on Facetime being in the ad.

AT&T does not allow Facetime on its network. It's total BS to show it in an ad that's about their network and to make it worse they show Facetime immediately before lowering the phone to show the AT&T logo behind the phone.

That's not cool at all. I pretty much consider that part of the ad a lie. I mean, how else are you supposed to interpret that other than to think AT&T has Facetime? They don't.

(And I'm only giving Verizon a pass here because they haven't announced yet if they'll allow Facetime. This will also apply to that half of the ad if they end up saying they don't support it.)
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good catch - it's amazing how little details are this are always left out or misrepresented in ads.

Anyway, with skype now supporting 3G and WiFi and 99% of my friends with skype accounts (and maybe 10% with facetime) ... I'm anyway mostly using skype. Video quality doesn't seem to be as good as facetime, but good enough.
 
Maybe Apple is saying they jb the AT&T phone and bought that program that allows facetime over AT&T's 3G. :D

Small White Car said:
Ok, I like the ad but I call fowl on Facetime being in the ad.

AT&T does not allow Facetime on its network. It's total BS to show it in an ad that's about their network and to make it worse they show Facetime immediately before lowering the phone to show the AT&T logo behind the phone.
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Maverick1337 said:
Do you guys know data+call simultaneously can only be done on a 3G signal for AT&T. I dont know about you guys but there has been many times where my 3G drops to Edge and I can't access the internet, that or the 3G is just too damn slow.
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I've done speed tests when I only had one bar of 3G service. Turned off 3G and repeated the speed test with full Edge service. The 1 bar of 3G had faster download speed than the full Edge service did.
 
At the :08 second mark, why do they show two different home pages?

The phone on the left shows the full NY Times page, and the phone on the right shows what looks like a mobile version of a webpage.
 
Small White Car said:
Ok, I like the ad but I call fowl on Facetime being in the ad.

AT&T does not allow Facetime on its network. It's total BS to show it in an ad that's about their network and to make it worse they show Facetime immediately before lowering the phone to show the AT&T logo behind the phone.

That's not cool at all. I pretty much consider that part of the ad a lie. I mean, how else are you supposed to interpret that other than to think AT&T has Facetime? They don't.

(And I'm only giving Verizon a pass here because they haven't announced yet if they'll allow Facetime. This will also apply to that half of the ad if they end up saying they don't support it.)
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But the ad is not an ad about ATT and their network, nor Verizon and their network. It is an APPLE AD, and Apple is showing what the iPhone is capable of doing on both carriers. Facetime, through WiFi, is an available feature that both carriers could propagate.

Notice that voice and data together is not a feature listed because Verizon, for now cannot handle this capability, so I read many times in rumor sites postings of others, unless they are wrong. Now if this is a ATT ad, that is something they can point out, but if this is a Verizon ad, better nationwide coverage though not necessarily faster, is something they might tout. But this is an Apple ad showing what is capable on both carriers. That's my take on the Apple ad :D
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Goldinboy17 said:
No I wasn't. Verizon probably placed a bunch of microcells in the building but those pictures display a Verizon iPhone with 'better' service. Anyways, here's my phone. Can't make a call and use data simultaneously either, no photoshop :D
Please appreciate the sense of humor.
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So when you switch to Verizon so you have better phone coverage out in San Francisco, if you redid your test, would the results of your non-photoshopped picture be any different? ;):rolleyes:
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MacFirst08 said:
Yeah, the didn't show a page loading comparison, just a double-tap to zoom side by side.
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There was also no demo of the double click app switching on the Verizon phone. Wonder why?

In an area of equal signal strength (both reception and bandwidth) at&t GSM will always be faster than Verizon CDMA. I see it every day at work with colleagues Verizon CDMA devices. Both Android, RIM, and Home Brews.

Verizon has better reception because they have more coverage. Do not confuse reception, with bandwidth.

I was an at&t hater until new towers went up last June. Now I am happier than a Pig in Slop. I receive a much more attractive corporate discount with at&t, and don't drop calls with my faulty antenna design on my new 4, even with the case off.

Choice is good. None of us will ever be happy until all providers get their acts together on standards. Until then it's all about who meets your needs the best given your geographic location.:apple:
 
yearofthe said:
Two is definitely better than one.
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Funny how Apple makes a plus out of doing something they should have been doing all along :)

Don't many other companies make both CDMA and GSM phones? It is hardly rocket science to make 2 versions of a phone.

Or cut and paste. Or MMS. Or a form of multitasking. Then add it later as a big deal.

What is really funny, though, is when they can get other companies to copy the lack of features, like the Windows Phone 7 which doesn't include multitasking or cut and paste :)

And yet it is the iPhone that other companies are trying to replicate. Still done, overall, smoother than other companies.
 
gunthermic said:
Reading this message thread. Am I missing something? Dumb this down.. LOL

This commercial is not about who's network is better than the others. Apple is not going to market, advertise anything to that point. the only purpose of this commerical was to highlight you can buy the iPhone from 2 different carriers. Why do people try to turn this commerical into a ATT vs Verizon bash feast.
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so true. this is about basically we have iPhones that are pretty much the same on either carrier. look each can swipe and get a book. each can access the internet...not real difference other than carrier.

yes there are some differences but they are not showing this here.
 
Small White Car said:
The point is, they advertise themselves as a 'mobile network' not a 'sit in a Starbucks network.'

That's the reason I don't really "count" those. They don't really contribute to what at&t advertises themselves as.
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Since it works pretty seamlessly (I often don't even realize that I'm on their wifi until I notice the icon change), I don't see any reason that they shouldn't consider it part of their network. If you could only use your phone when you were sitting at Starbucks, then your argument would have some merit.
 
8ate8 said:
I've done speed tests when I only had one bar of 3G service. Turned off 3G and repeated the speed test with full Edge service. The 1 bar of 3G had faster download speed than the full Edge service did.
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Raw signal bars don't mean a whole lot when using a CDMA radio, such as with Verizon anything or AT&T 3G.

The reason is, raw signal bars simply tell you the reception from the tower, which is not as important with CDMA as how many users are talking to that tower.

With CDMA, all phones talk at once. More phones = higher noise floor, and most signal bars don't show that, because it fluctuates constantly.

The upshot is, you can have one bar and a great connection with fewer users on that cell. Conversely, you can have five bars and a slow connection because of hundreds of users on that cell.
 
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Apple did say Face Time was coming to 3G networks in 2011. So maybe it will.

Either way it will interesting after many speed tests are done and posted and the general consensus can resume. AT&T will be faster, Verizon more likely to load.
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Another first?

The most interesting thing to me about this ad is that it promotes 2 competing networks. I can't recall seeing an ad for another US phone that says "Available on X and Y networks." I think this is just another example of how Apple has managed to wrestle control from the carriers.
 
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