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Yep there was . https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...cording-to-benchmark-analysis.2075795/page-22 . They have egg on their face now that Apple have actually admitted the phones are slowed down.
Seems like that article was simply about updates (in particular major new version) deliberately slowing down devices for no reason other than to make them slower so that people would buy newer devices. For example, what is being discussed here wasn't anything that was added/changed when iOS 11 came out, or iOS 10 came out, when most of these type of discussions start to appear, while the changes related to what was discussed here came in smaller updates unrelated to major new versions or anything like that. There are some related things of course, but there are different aspects of it that are under discussion here vs. there.
 
To be fair it's somewhat different than that. It's not really when it rolls to a stop when you are out of fuel (which you can also keep an eye on), but with the engine just randomly stopping (and not starting again) just whenever basically, could be as you are on the freeway, could be just a minute after you started driving pulling onto the street, could be somewhere else random in the middle of something.

power steering usually goes away when engine stops and if inexperienced drivers aren't used to no power steering, it is a hazard
 
The part about "Apple offers battery replacement in stores" is not really true. I've gone twice to an Apple store to have them assess my battery. They refused to let me pay them to replace the battery because their diagnostics passed.

I'm in the situation where Apple won't even let me pay to replace my battery even though I have random shut downs and blatant CPU throttling when below 50%.
That's totally borked man.
 
same reason why the phone will not turn on for several minutes if you let the battery completely die. it runs completely off the battery regardless if connected to ac source or not. connecting to ac source just charges the battery.
As I recall, at least partially, that can depend on the charger and if it provides enough of a current that can charge the battery and also power the phone.
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power steering usually goes away when engine stops and if inexperienced drivers aren't used to power steering, it is a hazard
That's just one of the hazards. That's kind of what can make abrupt unexpected shutdowns at least somewhat worse in the eyes of at least some compared to let's say somewhat throttled performance that avoids something like that.
 
Why not? The choice to drive an automobile until it rolls to a stop dead on a busy highway, out of gas, is left to the consumer. Which is more dangerous?

With the car, you know way in advance how much fuel you have and so can plan your journey accordingly. If despite knowing your fuel reserves, you still end up in a situation where you run out of fuel in the middle of the road, then that’s really on you.

With the iPhone, there is no way you can know when your phone is going to shut down on its own and preemptively turn on low power mode to prevent this, so it’s something which has to be on 24/7. What Apple is doing here is to have your iPhone intelligently manage its power consumption automatically behind the scenes to avoid a shut down so that you as the user don’t have to concern yourself with nitty gritty details such as this.

The entire point of simplicity isn’t to do more with more, but to do more with less. We use Apple products because we trust Apple to make the right call with regards to decisions like this, and given that Apple was basically stuck between the devil and the deep blue sea, I do honestly feel that they made the better call overall. Both options sucked, and so Apple chose the one which sucked less.

I suppose an argument could be made about how Apple should have been more forthcoming about this, but I can understand why they decided to maintain radio silence. There’s really no way to nuance this without people misinterpreting and taking the news out of context.
 
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Didn't the original reddit thread mention something about the same behavior with Macbooks as well? Could someone confirm?
 
we all know this 'feature' is really a stopgap bandaid designed specifically to avoid a battery recall on all iPhone 6, iPhone 6s and now iPhone 7 units.
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That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. “I want to give you money to perform a service that’ll make me happy as a customer”

“NO”

Ok then
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If this is true, this lends support to the fact that Apple is, in a way, coercing people to buy new phones after a certain period of time.
yes. apple store geniuses simply plug your phone into their system and if they see that the battery is "fine" (ie. above the expected capacity for its age, even though that capacity is already too low for you), they won't replace the battery for you.
 
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Maybe I am just crazy, but it seems like we have reached the peak of what we can really do with Lithium Ion batteries, maybe it is time we come up with some new battery tech and perhaps one that doesn't use so many natural resources?

There was a point in time where Apple would have seen this and started working on new types of batteries, surely we can do better than this.
 
So does this mean when they say the newest iPhone is 2.5x faster than the previous gen or 14x faster than the gen before that those figures include a depleted battery and slowed down units for the benchmarks? :D

I guess they need to change what they say next year at their keynotes or whatever the term is for them. Just have to add the words " up to XX times the performance of last years A11"
 
Apple's only mistake in my opinion is opting for slowing down an iPhone when its battery fails to output a safe voltage to keep the processor working within operating parameters vs a script popping up warning the owner its battery needed to be replaced to restore original performance.

This thread is evidence however there would have been hell to pay no matter which route they chose.
 
I cannot believe people are apologizing for apple here. Apple should be sued. These phones are all defective and apple made a patch to cover up their hardware mistake.

Normally battery degradation means your phone charge doesn't last as long, it still runs normally while the battery is charged.

Apples battery is so bad, that as it degrades it not only doesn't hold a charge as long, the phone fails to function as it should. Apple needed a software cover up to hide the fact that if the phone wanted to run as designed it would shut off when the battery wasn't in new condition.


Anyone excusing apple is a blind sheep at this moment.
 
Maybe I am just crazy, but it seems like we have reached the peak of what we can really do with Lithium Ion batteries, maybe it is time we come up with some new battery tech and perhaps one that doesn't use so many natural resources?

There was a point in time where Apple would have seen this and started working on new types of batteries, surely we can do better than this.

or design it properly, can't keep going thin and raising the CPU requirements without something giving, it's gotta be a fine balance. it appears to me, imo, the balance is currently off and they have to use software to compensate for the design choices...
 
we all know this 'feature' is really a stopgap bandaid designed specifically to avoid a battery recall on all iPhone 6, iPhone 6s and now iPhone 7 units.
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yes. apple store geniuses simply plug your phone into their system and if they see that the battery is "fine" (ie. above the expected capacity for its age, even though that capacity is already too low for you), they won't replace the battery for you.
That is exactly why the battery should be user replaceable, then it is up to the user if they want to replace the battery or not, of course that also means a substantially cheaper replacement.

And don't give me they can't do that and keep it water resistant, there a cameras that are waterproof to 30 meters for 60 minutes that have user changeable batteries and touch screens, so it CAN be done. Now granted the touch part of touch screen won't work under water, but once dry it works just fine.
 
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Apple's only mistake in my opinion is opting for slowing down an iPhone when its battery fails to output a safe voltage to keep the processor working within operating parameters vs a script popping up warning the owner its battery needed to be replaced.

This thread is evidence however there would have been hell to pay no matter which route they chose.

No apples mistake is designing a phone & battery combo, that when the battery degrades without a coverup, the phone shuts off.
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So take it to an aftermarket shop. It will cost you like 60-75$. I did that for my daughters phone and now it works like the day we bought it. No more random shutdowns.

Apple designs phone with a bad battery, user should pay to get a new one.
 
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This is another nonsense “scandal” that the nerdosphere is trying to make into a big deal because it’s Apple.

And maybe they will succeed, we will see how it goes in the next hours/days. Here in Sweden a major (i.e. "non-nerd") news outlet just posted an article titled "Apple confirms: We intentionally slow down iPhones". This narrative feeds into the common perception of planned obsolescence. If that is how people and other mainstream media will perceive this issue, then it might become a big deal.

In that case Apple's method of not bothering the user and quietly handling things in the background can easily come off as dishonesty, and thus more transparency might have been a better choice.
 
CPUs don't degrade over time
They just get lazy ... and if you don't have AC, you are f'ed/

PS: Not against you, but I find this undocumented behaviour a serious attempt to avoid transparency.
Apple sells millions of units and avoids any replacement claims, because you cannot really proof your case.
 
or design it properly, can't keep going thin and raising the CPU requirements without something giving, it's gotta be a fine balance. it appears to me, imo, the balance is currently off and they have to use software to compensate for the design choices...
Really, there are battery technologies that are promising, such as solid state batteries or asphalt batteries. They aren't quite there yet, but if Apple threw some money into developing them, they would indeed get to a usable point very quickly.
 
With the car, you know way in advance how much fuel you have and so can plan your journey accordingly. If despite knowing your fuel reserves, you still end up in a situation where you run out of fuel in the middle of the road, then that’s really on you.

With the iPhone, there is no way you can know when your phone is going to shut down on its own and preemptively turn on low power mode to prevent this, so it’s something which has to be on 24/7. What Apple is doing here is to have your iPhone intelligently manage its power consumption automatically behind the scenes to avoid a shut down so that you as the user don’t have to concern yourself with nitty gritty details such as this.

The entire point of simplicity isn’t to do more with more, but to do more with less. We use Apple products because we trust Apple to make the right call with regards to decisions like this, and given that Apple was basically stuck between the devil and the deep blue sea, I do honestly feel that they made the better call overall. Both options sucked, and so Apple chose the one which sucked less.

I suppose an argument could be made about how Apple should have been more forthcoming about this, but I can understand why they decided to maintain radio silence. There’s really no way to nuance this without people misinterpreting and taking the news out of context.

Nope. Apple sold a defective product, covered up the defect with software. The solution should be to have batteries that will run the phone no matter the charge, and fail only like typical batteries do- not hold a charge for as long. Along with having a battery meter that's accurate.
 
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Nope. Apple sold a defective product, covered up the defect with software. The solution should be to have batteries that will run the phone no matter the charge, and fail only like typical batteries do- not hold a charge for as long. Along with having a battery meter that's accurate.

I don't think you understand how batteries work.
 
No, what's "ridiculous" is people like you who don't know anything about battery technology blaming Apple for battery degradation. All batteries degrade with time and cycles. If you're unhappy with the number of cycles current battery technology can provide, please, go ahead and invent a better technology. We're waiting.
No one is complaining about battery degradation. People are upset because Apple is hiding the battery problems by cutting performance in half. No warning. Then not replacing the battery. Even at the customers offer the pay for it.
 
And maybe they will succeed, we will see how it goes in the next hours/days. Here in Sweden a major (i.e. "non-nerd") news outlet just posted an article titled "Apple confirms: We intentionally slow down iPhones". This narrative feeds into the common perception of planned obsolescence. If that is how people and other mainstream media will perceive this issue, then it might become a big deal.

In that case Apple's method of not bothering the user and quietly handling things in the background can easily come off as dishonesty, and thus more transparency might have been a better choice.

Well, as I said earlier, I am not sure how Apple could have handled this without people reporting it in a negative light anyways.

I guess it all boils down to whether you trust Apple to do the right thing at the end of the day. I (still) do.
 
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No apples mistake is designing a phone & battery combo, that when the battery degrades without a coverup, the phone shuts off.
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Apple designs phone with a bad battery, user should pay to get a new one.

I'd recommend a bit of research on how modern phone batteries work.
 
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