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Apple Addresses CSAM Detection Concerns, Will Consider Expanding System on Per-Country Basis
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It's their platform. You must abide by their rules.
If you stay in airplane mode till the end of times the report will never be sent back to Apple.
You just need to leave the phone in airplane mode forever, which you need to do anyway if you activated iCloud Photo Library but you don’t want your pics to be uploaded to a server where they could be scanned for CP or censorship.
There are massive difference between client side and server side scanning. One of the biggest hurdles of mass surveillance is the required processor power to process all the collected data. Processing all the data client side is extremely cost efficient and is endlessly scalable. Also, creating documented back door to a device is a security risk especially when the device is building database which can be used to cost effectively search massive amounts of data (all the users). Third parties such as NSO Group will most likely see this as an opportunity.
It’s also worth mentioning that no one (there are probably exceptions…) accidentally posts/publishes still images, videos or text to Twitter, Facebook or YouTube. I assume vast majority of people are aware that these platforms are public. Therefore it is understandable that since the media is public by nature the platform must take action moderate the media. However, iCloud is not public (social) media. With Apples way of thinking it is seamless continuation of ones private iOS device. One can easily transfer images accidentally to iCloud with no or just minimum user input. With monitoring done on client side it’s more or less a wet dream from “1984”. This every dictators dream come true.
Hey, if you all don't want to get Android and want to leave the Apple ecosystem because your "rights" are being violated (even tho Apple is not part of the US government and the fourth amendment does not apply and it's their platform they get to decide the rules), you can always get a Windows phone. You can pick them up cheap on eBay. You won't get software updates and they have very few apps, but hey, at least your "rights" aren't being violated.
The scanning on-server-one-minute-after-upload vs on-device-one-minute-before-upload argument is so moot it’s painful.
Regular people can‘t go self-hosted anyway.
Dictators can pressure for censorship both server side and device side anyway.
Regular people can‘t go self-hosted anyway.
Dictators can pressure for censorship both server side and device side anyway.
ORWELLIAN!
Besides absolute invasiveness what do they hope to accomplish with this??… it will solve nothing!
Ones who have these tendencies and know that they are being watched.. they will simply circumvent it by using other platforms and Avoid Apple iCloud or Apple all together.
Including those who just cant stand the totalitarian approach of big tech and Apple‘s increasingly invasive walled garden ( feels like the a walled China )
This is a horrific pr/pub/buisness move by Apple… it feels Orwellian ! It Is ORWELLIAN !
Dont do it Tim…. this will alienate everyday normal people who value privacy!
IT IS not to the best interest of the share holders AND SOLVES NOTHING!
Besides absolute invasiveness what do they hope to accomplish with this??… it will solve nothing!
Ones who have these tendencies and know that they are being watched.. they will simply circumvent it by using other platforms and Avoid Apple iCloud or Apple all together.
Including those who just cant stand the totalitarian approach of big tech and Apple‘s increasingly invasive walled garden ( feels like the a walled China )
This is a horrific pr/pub/buisness move by Apple… it feels Orwellian ! It Is ORWELLIAN !
Dont do it Tim…. this will alienate everyday normal people who value privacy!
IT IS not to the best interest of the share holders AND SOLVES NOTHING!
There’s no backdoor.
”Stuff may be hashed to make comparing it against a database faster and more efficient” is not a backdoor, it’s obvious and it was true yesterday as much as today.
Where do you draw the line? Could apple use the local processor to just hash the pics, NOT compare the hashes on device, upload the hashes and only then compare them on server? So different...that‘s not addressing the core of the problem, just technicalities..
When the OS is running and you’re logged in, Apple locally may have programmed the OS to do whatever to your data, you don’t know. Apple does a lot of things with your data locally offline, and you probably consented to it. You will consent to this too come this Fall.
The wrong thing done for the right reason is still the wrong thing.
~Phoebe Halliwell
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That, right there, solves a HUGE problem for Apple, who doesn’t want its infrastructure used for such things.
I want my privacy trampled one minute after the upload, using server side CPU cycles, not one minute before the upload using the local CPU.
How dare you Apple!
How dare you Apple!
Hi, I'm well to the left of Bernie Sanders. (No worries, if it soothes you, I voted for Biden.) I think this approach to combating CSAM is a horrible idea that risks opening up a can of worms which we absolutely don’t want to open, as humans. Civil liberties should be of utmost importance to people of all political persuasions; instead we often see centrists craving simple solutions to complex problems, which almost never works for the better.
I’ve seen no one arguing that CSAM is okay or that those trafficking in it shouldn’t be brought to justice, and I’m certainly not about to, but rather only disagreement with this approach. Apple already does this scanning server-side for iCloud Photos — which at least to me is fine — and unless they plan on end-to-end encrypting iCloud Photos, this is all for…what? It adds nothing and might subtract a lot.
It’s needlessly blurring the line between what gets processed where, forcing users to bear the computational (and, hell, monetary!) cost of content scanning for Apple’s own protection, and heavily dependent on Apple’s willingness and ability to say no to authoritarian leaders who assuredly would love to use this for less noble purposes. We’ve already seen how far Apple’s willing to bend — backwards — to placate Xi Jinping.
Would they say no to his request to report all Winnie-the-Pooh memes to the government under the threat of no longer allowing iPhone sales in China? Remember, Apple’s privacy “principles” aren’t real — they’re marketing — and as a corporation, the only language that they speak is dollar bills.
This is true but it increasingly seems that the government is using Big Tech specifically to get around the constitution.
It’s not impossible to live without an iOS or Android device but it is pretty darn hard. I can tell you from first hand experience as someone who came from Windows Phone last year that there were plenty of things that I couldn’t take advantage of.
At what point does Big Tech become large enough to be ruled a public utility or some form of digital public square?
Understood as I have stated in previous posts. I was also responding to the question/statement asking where privacy was established as a right.
But what if the government compels these tech companies to do this (else be regulated or whatever other bureaucratic shenanigans)? That is, a private company can become a “state actor” for Fourth Amendment purposes if the search occurred at the government’s behest, not because the private company chose to do it. In that case, the Fourth Amendment’s warrant requirement kicks in; if there was no warrant for the search, that makes the search “unreasonable.” It’s a Fourth Amendment violation.
So yes, Apple is seemingly doing this of their own will. Yes, we are bound by the terms and conditions. Doesn’t mean we can’t have opinions about it or point out that it could go bad at some point. It’s not far fetched. I’d say Apple’s temporary constraint to the US acknowledges this to a degree.
hopefully also because you dont possess the type of material this targets 0_0
Exactly! Now that other countries know Apple can do this what is to stop them from passing laws requiring Apple to do even more invasive scans for “wrong think”
Other countries already knew “apple can do this.” Nothing has changed in that regard. And some other countries already require apple to do stuff you’d object to. Again, nothing has changed.
Those countries totally didn’t know about all kinds of killer switches Apple could silently push in their own OS via an update, they didn’t know that apple regurarly scans photos with increasingly powerful AI and processors to the point you can search them by keywords, they didn’t know about matching hashes, etc.
They found out about all of this today.
Totally.
Facebook leadership bashing Apple, how unexpected
So now all the pedo's will now flock to WhatsApp, seems very on brand for Zuckerburg and Co. (Who also really really want an under 13 Instagram)
Firstly, if they make a good thing out of it, why not.
Secondly, they don’t even need to do anything. Just the knowledge that something like that exist should act as a first level of deterrence.
And lastly, if someone is stupid enough to keep evidence of their crimes or fail to recognize what they’re doing is criminal, then they deserve to be in jail.
Secondly, they don’t even need to do anything. Just the knowledge that something like that exist should act as a first level of deterrence.
And lastly, if someone is stupid enough to keep evidence of their crimes or fail to recognize what they’re doing is criminal, then they deserve to be in jail.