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Apple Addresses CSAM Detection Concerns, Will Consider Expanding System on Per-Country Basis
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never said they would be wrongfully convicted. obviously Apple will manually review the data before taking action.
but yes, it's not 1 trillion photos. even then, you still have a higher chance of winning the lottery. what i said remains true.
Apple set themselves up for this. They've convinced the world that they're the last company we should expect to do something like this.
It would be even easier and less resource intensive to scan for texts for whatever interests popular agenda -- body shaming, mental health issues, suicidal tendencies, racist thoughts (conscious and unconscious bias), violent tendencies, anti-LGBTQ statements, cyber-bullying, drug deals, etc. etc. -- "hash" them of course, you have to do that, that makes everything a-okay -- and report them to the relevant agencies.
After all, why wouldn't you want to do this? Do you have something to hide? What, do you want to prevent suicide or not? What kind of monster are you? So it goes.
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As well intentioned as this is it is terrifying.
China will love this.
China will love this.
Mamas a gov
ironically that giant Ad is still true, unless you make bad choices. So the Apple narrative goes…
Playing attorney on the internet never turns out well, ask any of the Kraken lawyers. 😂
People are upset because of the inevitable slippery slope that comes with a new mass surveillance framework installed on every IOS device. Also it’s about the kids has been used to unveil sweeping anti-privacy surveillance programs in the past. The premise this time is every IOS user is a potential criminal so big brother on every device is necessary.
I very rarely use my phone as a camera, so no I don't.
As I said in my original post, I take privacy and security pretty seriously. Consequently, I compartmentalize my data and activities, with anything sensitive or confidential kept away from my mobile phone. If I lost my phone or if it got hacked, there isn't much there of value to thieves or attackers.
I know, of course, many people keep their entire personal and work lives on their phone or tablet so it's understandable that Apple's initiative can be viewed as disturbing. But anybody who wants to keep secrets secret really needs to accept the security vs. convenience tradeoff IMHO.
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I buy Apple products precisely so I don't have to worry about privacy, as much as I might with the alternatives. That's it. That's the only reason I buy this stuff outside of the Apple Watch which I think is uniquely better than competing options.
And it's been flushed down the toilet because China has Apple's private parts in a jar. Well, at least Google, Microsoft and Amazon products are a lot cheaper.
And it's been flushed down the toilet because China has Apple's private parts in a jar. Well, at least Google, Microsoft and Amazon products are a lot cheaper.
That’s not the point. The point is Apple has a back door now. 10 or 20 years ago, things we see today as abhorrent were commonplace. What’s it going to be like 20 years from when perhaps your likes today will be taboo then?
If the principle of privacy is cast aside for the noble good of another principle, there is no more privacy or principle; there is only preference. A company or nation based on preferences is a company and nation that cannot and should not be trusted.
Nothing in the article seems to suggest pictures would be scanned on device. It all suggests that pictures stored in iCloud
Exactly.
China: Hey Apple, we want you to tell us whenever someone stores a picture of protests in Hong Kong
Apple: No can do - we’ve carefully designed iPhones to protect against such privacy invasions so not even we can do that to a user’s phone
China: Crap, oh well
China: China: Hey Apple, we want you to tell us whenever someone stores a picture of protests in Hong Kong
Apple: Err, we could do that, it’s as easy as adding a list of hashes to an index, but we’d rather not
China: <raises eyebrow>
People take their computers for repair with this stuff on there all the time so I think you’re seriously overestimating the intelligence of a lot of these people.
The following article should help clarify.
Apple Confirms Detection of Child Sexual Abuse Material is Disabled When iCloud Photos is Turned Off
Apple today announced that iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 will see the introduction of a new method for detecting child sexual abuse material (CSAM) on iPhones...
www.macrumors.com
Did you READ it? It clearly said the scanning is on-device (NeuralHash).
If that were to happen to me, I'd *immediately* call the FBI, let them know I received an unasked for CP photo and provide details of the iMessage sender. The FBI would investigate and hopefully arrest the iMessage sender as sending such a photo is a federal crime.
The sky is not falling.
So I went to Apple’s Twitter account to see what kinds of conversations are happening and the account shows no tweets. Is this normal? Surely that account has tweeted, right? Did they suspend it to avoid backlash?
They will roll it out on a country by country basis. So if a country with a huge market says you must enable it here and give us more control or else you can’t sell the iphone, what would apple do? I think we all know what they would do. They have to follow the local law after all…
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a Backdoor is if Apple could scan non iCloud data, read your notes not on the cloud, scan your selfies not on iCloud.
Apple does not have the ability to scan non iCloud data
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Apple does not have the ability to scan non iCloud data
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apple . Does. Not. Have . Ability. To. Scan. Non. iCloud . Data
this means .
If you turn iCloud photos off, Apple cant scan anything
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if . You. Turn . iCloud. Photos. Off. Apple. Can’t. Scan. Anything
got it ?
Say that you're an official with the CCP. You have huge stacks of brochures of anti-CCP materials. You've got them scanned and hashed. Next you call Apple and say, "please alert us if any similar imageries appears in your customers' devices". Apple would say, "Sure, we're just following your law"... Hence when a Chinese photographs such brochure "in the wild" using an iPhone, someone from "the government" will knock the next day and "strongly enquire" about yesterday's photo.
Do the photos still get the hash analysis on device, though? Even if not uploaded to iCloud?
I've read everything on this and can't seem to find a clear answer. Apple makes it clear the hash "scan" happens on the device BEFORE being uploaded to iCloud. But is that scan happening even if the user has iCloud photos disabled?
Who needs governments anymore when companies can do exactly what spy agencies have always wanted without any laws to allow it or to oversee it. I guess that's why DC is just a circus these days. The real power has been privatized. I'm not going to hold my breath for the hot blonde with the sledge hammer. She needs to hit herself in the head with it.
For those who criticize China each and every day here, if you think that our privacy has a limit and must be compromised because there are some perverts storing illegal pictures, then actually you love China. They also think that freedom should be limited in front of the ‘greater good’, what is the ‘greater good’ just depends on your culture and political system. Don’t be surprised, it’s not just China, other countries have various limitations about what picture is deemed illegal, for example, a woman publicly showing her body (even the upper arm and the thighs sometimes) is illegal in many places. If you allow this slippery slope to happen (oh yeah, conveniently, it’s ALWAYS about children, and porn), and allow Apple to be the gatekeeper or the Ministry of Truth, you will actually feel good about living inside China since you’re making the exact same arguments here.
I’m not making a joke. These governments just need a piece of legislation and Apple will happily follow or else they will be banned from selling their devices there because they break the law.
I won’t be surprised that Apple turning 180’ on ‘privacy’ by hashing your photos prior to uploading to iCloud Photo Library was due to pressure by the government or congress. It has to start somewhere right? They can’t outright tell Apple to scan for other stuff but if a system is there, they always can do it later.
I’m not making a joke. These governments just need a piece of legislation and Apple will happily follow or else they will be banned from selling their devices there because they break the law.
I won’t be surprised that Apple turning 180’ on ‘privacy’ by hashing your photos prior to uploading to iCloud Photo Library was due to pressure by the government or congress. It has to start somewhere right? They can’t outright tell Apple to scan for other stuff but if a system is there, they always can do it later.
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Let me rephrase this a different way. Now that Apple has actually put hooks into it's OS to snoop on users they have no leg to stand on against other government "requests".