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nice.
sounds like a great price for a working laptop that does what you want it to.

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This problem effect on osx also.. The owner sell half because the original ram was 4GB and quite easily hang.. I upgrade the ram to 8GB RAM DDR3L and ssd 128GB. The laptop windows smooth.. While my new imac 2017 i think i will buy external usb 3.1 gen 2 to install high sierra .. If i can buy second hand price as good as windows laptop.. it will soo soo good.
 
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Kind of off topic but I wish Apple would release a lower cost 15 inch laptop option. A dual core i5 with Intel graphics and a $1499 price would be great.
 
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Why? An Apple refurbished item is just as good as a new one. Same 1 year warranty and blemish free. You just don't get a pretty white box with it; You get a plain brown box. Is the pretty white retail box worth $360?

I've never had any problems buying from Apple's refurb store.
Since these aren’t selling well, I wouldn’t be surprised if these are brand new units shipping in refurbished boxes. Helps to move inventory and no one would be the wiser.
 
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That's probably the one I bought last month and returned the next day because it couldn't even hold my iTunes music library without having to carrying around an external 2TB drive. I never even got to my photo library. Useless.

I hate it when that happens, I bought a 2 seater sports car and got home and my girlfriend asked where the kids and dog would go. I felt so let down by the supplier.
 
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wait, i'm not following exactly.
£4500 in all?

what's the £2300?


ha. yeah.. i've heard about that one.
: )

(i edited the quoted post a little bit ago and spoke of ESC.. maybe you were typing as i was editing..
but yeah, to me, i don't find the virtual key to be an issue.. that said, i can see how it may be irksome for people as it's no longer a mechanical press)

Damn auto correct.

Ive always bought the top spec.

Current one, with the dongles I need + AppleCare is £4485

I bought a refurb 2015 top spec for £2300 , will be about £2600 when I add AppleCare. The 2015 machine meets all my needs and the ESC key is still on :)
 
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Mac is getting more and more expensive year by year.

Yeah, and that forces me to extend my upgrade cycle.
I'd change my 2012 MBA if I could find an affordable alternative, but I'm not willing to pay the equivalent of almost $2000 for a good machine. I can't upgrade the RAM or the SSD, so I need to buy the maxed out model "just in case".
Eventually I'll get a new Macbook, but I may wait for another year either to find a good deal or to buy the previous year's refurbished model
 
"Apple's refurbished products go through a rigorous refurbishment process before being offered for sale, which includes inspection, repairs, cleaning, and repackaging.."

Well there's nothing to repair or refurbish in a new MBP because it's basically unrepairable (see many threads in the forum where people are being given complete new laptops because the keyboard has stopped working) so what you are actually getting is a USED laptop that Apple have checked over and cleaned/repackaged. Please stop lying to people with this "refurbished" word.
 
Why? An Apple refurbished item is just as good as a new one. Same 1 year warranty and blemish free. You just don't get a pretty white box with it; You get a plain brown box. Is the pretty white retail box worth $360?

I've never had any problems buying from Apple's refurb store.

Plus, my refurbished order actually did come in a pretty white box!
 
And I still cannot recommend this laptop to any 'pro' I know. It's been a year since the release of these questionable redesigns in the MBP lineup and I've yet to see Apple's USBc bet catch on. If anything, they are a sustained nuisance.

Get your hands on a maxed out 2015 refurb MBP if you can, and you can thank me later.
 
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I wish these refurb store stories were not so US-centric all the time. We're still not seeing the refurbished 2017 27-inch iMacs in the UK store let alone the 2017 MacBook Pros. There is more than one refurb store, based on your own locality.

With the UK exchange rate being what it is, and Apple price hikes - picking up a refurbished model seems the most cost effective way of purchasing any of the recent offerings.
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"Apple's refurbished products go through a rigorous refurbishment process before being offered for sale, which includes inspection, repairs, cleaning, and repackaging.."

Well there's nothing to repair or refurbish in a new MBP because it's basically unrepairable (see many threads in the forum where people are being given complete new laptops because the keyboard has stopped working) so what you are actually getting is a USED laptop that Apple have checked over and cleaned/repackaged. Please stop lying to people with this "refurbished" word.

Sometimes it might not have even been used. - Just returned. Any refurb I've ever bought I've never been able to distinguish from a new product (apart from the blank packaging). The first refurb I ever bought (Mac Mini 2009) was incorrectly spec'd, so Apple offered to replace it with a brand new model for the refurb price. Pretty sweet deal at the time.
 
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I've got nothing against them selling returns or even unused products at a discount, it's just a pet-hate of mine that the word refurb is so often mis-used. Putting a laptop in a brown box instead of a white one is not refurbishing it!
 
The pros I’m familiar with love them.

I'm kind of professional, I dig on mine :D (I'm actually using a 2015 model)


Why? An Apple refurbished item is just as good as a new one. Same 1 year warranty and blemish free. You just don't get a pretty white box with it; You get a plain brown box. Is the pretty white retail box worth $360?

I've never had any problems buying from Apple's refurb store.

Apple refurbs - in my opinion - are [almost] always the way to go. When I recommend Apple hardware, I always tell the potential buyer to check the refurb store first (and if not in a rush, daily as items come and go).


what you are actually getting is a USED laptop that Apple have checked over and cleaned/repackaged.

Please stop lying to people with this "refurbished" word.

You literally defined refurbished [correctly], then said not to use the word :D
 
I've been recommending Apple laptops for the last 2 decades. I honestly can't recommend the current range. They're overpriced and gimped on either storage or ports or screen. [all |macbook |air]

Actually I think they have enough RAM across the board. With their ultrafast PCIe SSDs, 8GB is plenty. More RAM gives shorter battery life, as it all has to be actively powered and refreshed constantly.

However, now that the M.2 standard is out (it wasn't when Apple first moved to PCIe SSDs), it's time to offer standard cheap(er) fast M.2 500GB / 1TB SSDs, instead of obsessing with weight or making even faster, custom-made overpriced tiny SSDs that can't be replaced except with pulls from other Apple laptops.
 
Damn auto correct.

Ive always bought the top spec.

Current one, with the dongles I need + AppleCare is £4485

I bought a refurb 2015 top spec for £2300 , will be about £2600 when I add AppleCare. The 2015 machine meets all my needs and the ESC key is still on :)

oh..yikes.
yeah, quite a difference there.

in my personal case, i don't plug anything in to the laptop other than power.. (i also don't buy appleCare ;) )
so my end use price is basically the listed price.

i imagine it'd be a much different story (for me) if i had to spend an additional $1000 or so in hardware just to use the thing the way i need to.
 
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Got a new gig going and I have the money saved up right now could splurge on one of these. But, my Early 2015 is doing just fine and I want to get the lamination issue resolved before I ever give Apple money again. The technology has gotten so good enough right now, I feel like Apple and many other companies should be in crisis mode. For the vast majority of users, these new machines are overkill and offer little in improved dramatic performance to justify upgrading even on a regular 3 to 5 year lifecycle.

Agree. My Early 2011 15" MBP is actually going so strong that I can't justify upgrading. Threw in 16GB RAM and dual Samsung SSDs and this thing does it all. Everyday work, running multiple VMs for labbing, etc.
 
I'm curious if the touch-bar has caught on with software developers.

Also isn't the dongle issue over or soon to be over yet?
Surely by now, USB-C peripherals are beginning to make their way into the mainstream.
 
Had my 2016 MBP since launch. Glad I got it early but these prices on the refurbs are a no brainer. If the machine doesn't suit your needs, there are lots of others - no need to bash this one because you don't agree with the price. Apple has over charged for laptops since the beginning. Feels super premium to me, up to you if it's worth the price tag.
 
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