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Apple Adds 2017 15-Inch MacBook Pro Models to Refurbished Store
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You got a laugh out of me this morning, thank you for that!
I'm not sure a 'similar PC' actually exists. If it runs Windows, I'd rather not.
Base model 15" notebook with basic SSD and GPU for $2400 new? Makes me love my $900 Alienware 15R3 with i7, 256GB SSD, 1TB HDD (room for 3 more drives) and 1060 6GB GPU even more. macOS you say? I have that...running on my Alienware Aurora R4 with i7-7700K, 1080 8GB GPU and all the bells and whistles...faster than any Mac Pro and 1/4th the price. 
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Still a terrible value. Besides, it's been a year now since Apple dumped the 2016 MBP onto the world, the Touchbar is still a silly gimmick and the USBc bet hasn't gone anywhere. A year of nuisance for nothing, if not Ive's obsession with thinness.
I never really understood this line of thinking...do you spend your time using the OS or using the apps and get work done? Do people buy TV's based on the TV OS and not on the quality of the display? I use the OS to launch programs and copy files. I don't care if it's Windows or macOS (although I find Windows better for such tasks). Apps, to me, are the same and if I can get a similar hardware config/performance for half the price, makes sense to me!
I upgraded to the latest and greatest then sold it and went back to a top model 2014 MBP. I could not get used to the mousepad click fakery. Am I the only one? Quite possibly... As for the touch bar, that screams "gimmick". When my 2014 model eventually parts this World I will find another on FleaBay.
Here's a review of what happened to mine .. pics, videos, experience with customer support, pros, cons compared to 2015 models : https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/2017-macbook-pro-13-non-tb-review.2056971/
See if this makes sense: if your time is worth $50 an hour, and you have to spend 20 hours per year trying to make your $1500 Windows laptop do what you bought it to do, then you’ve effectively spent $2500.
My time has value; I believe I’ve added about 6 years to my life by refusing to buy cheaper Microsoft based PCs.
I imagine the 20 hours per annum is a cheap estimate. My point is that the OS has to work reliably to ensure that the apps function properly and work gets done.
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You literally defined refurbished [correctly], then said not to use the word
No, I defined used. Checking something that is used works and then selling it is not refurbishing it. To refurbish something (by definition) you have to replace something. If Apple put a new SSD inside, or changed the outer case, or put in a brand new screen, sure call it refurbished. But the above is just used.
Put it another way - my so-called definition of refurbished, what exactly differentiates it from used? it is literally the same. Again checking that something works before selling it is common courteousy, not refurbishing.
Damn, nobody told me. Here I am using my Mac for 'Pro' things
thanks.. looks to be incredibly detailed explanation
i'll check it out tonight when i have more time.
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it's entirely possible they issue an immediate swap on a new computer that has a fixable hardware issue..
like, if you have a 3 day old laptop with a hardware issue, the not-so-cool way for Apple to go about dealing with it would be "ok, let us take your 3 day old computer for a week.. we'll repair it and get it back to you".. that would suck imo.. i'd much rather a swap in this scenario then the original computer goes to the refurbished bin..
idk, i think assuming Apple will only swap a computer with an unrepairable issue (totaled) is a bit shortsighted.
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problem with the new macbook pros is they are just gimmicky. OSX is just so behind and not all promised functionality is not implemented. I do not see any reason to upgrade my late 2013 version. 6 years or more it takes before the next generation will feel like a solid upgrade.
I find Apple products overpriced, but in a way, you do get what you pay for. I find that the quality tends to be rather good. I've used Macs for over 25 years now (damn, I'm old!), and many 3rd party components (batteries, chargers, cords) lasted a lot shorter, or even started fires, than Apple-branded parts. Plus, Apple has really great support.
To be fair, I would like to see somethings in Macs that other brands have had for years: newer, higher end GPUs, SD card slots on iPhones & iPads, bigger batteries / longer battery life, FLAC support, user replaceable parts and bring back the headphone jack. While profits are important, but, IMO, they aren't the end all, be all of business.
To be fair, I would like to see somethings in Macs that other brands have had for years: newer, higher end GPUs, SD card slots on iPhones & iPads, bigger batteries / longer battery life, FLAC support, user replaceable parts and bring back the headphone jack. While profits are important, but, IMO, they aren't the end all, be all of business.
There is no requirement that something has to be replaced during refurbishment process. The item is inspected and tested for functionality. Something is fixed or a part is replaced only if necessary.
What differentiates an Apple refurbished item from a used one is that an Apple refurbished item will have:
- the full 1 year Apple warranty just like a brand new item does, not the remaining balance of the 1 year warranty
- the full 90 day period for technical support
- fresh packaging and/or wrapping (including all paperwork, manuals, etc)
- no blemishes (at least none of mine have any)
- been cleaned and tested and everything is guaranteed to work like new
All refurbished items are used. But not all used items are refurbished.
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Like what exactly?
I agree that Apple costs more than the rivals, but a similarly equipped HP, Dell, or Lenovo Laptop priced from their online stores will cost $1500 - $1700+. Some will offer full touch screen as opposed to the limited use Touchbar, but they aren’t that much less expensive when you factor in all of the items that match (or beat) the MacBook Pro.
- SSD storage (at least 256gb)
- High resolution display that is also IPS
- Discrete graphics (AMD or nVidia)
- 16gb of RAM
- Backlit keyboard (a plus)
- I7 processor or better (newer AMD)
:EDIT: Linked to wrong laptop, didn’t show proper BTO options.
Factor in the cost of the OS, free upgrades, free productivity software and a few toy applications, and the MacBook Pro really isn’t that much more expensive in the end.
I guess it comes down to opinion. If somebody told me they refurbished my house simply by giving it a clean without a drop of paint or any new furniture, I'd be disappointed. It seems completely acceptable these days to list used electronics as refurbished, I just don't get it.
Apple supports FLAC now!
Took this from the iPhone 7 tech specs page:
https://www.apple.com/iphone-7/specs/
- Audio formats supported: AAC-LC, HE-AAC, HE-AAC v2, Protected AAC, MP3, Linear PCM, Apple Lossless, FLAC, Dolby Digital (AC-3), Dolby Digital Plus (E-AC-3), and Audible (formats 2, 3, 4, Audible Enhanced Audio, AAX, and AAX+)
That is not correct.
I have purchased various things from PowerMac G5 towers, MacBooks, iPods and a Mac Mini for over 20% off. You have to watch it like a hawk and buy older devices to get those prices though. They sometimes also hide the % off requiring you to do a little math, but that can sometimes yield 25% off or more.
FWIW this is on the store now. (Edit you just posted as such)
Yeah, that may have been the silliest thing I’ve read on here.
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From what I’ve read, you can only play them from within the Files app ... at least for now.
I'm definitely going to grab one of the 15" refurbs once I close on my new business opportunity. I've been totally satisfied with my early 2013 15" rMBP (i7, 512GB, 16GB), even though it's got slower ram and SSD than the more modern versions, it's fine for the work I do - or should I say it's fine for what my wife is doing as she's taken it over, leaving me with the late 2012 21" iMac we have in our office. I'd like to update it as well, but I'll be starting to travel and need the portable power the MacBook Pro provides. I'll hold off on the iMac and perhaps they'll update the form factor next year which will drop the pricing on refurb iMacs significantly.
Not an exact match, but HP Omen for $999
https://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-Omen-...ics-Card-12GB-Memory-1TB-Hard-Drive/630174927
Core i7-7700HQ
15.6" Full-HD IPS Display
NVIDIA GTX 1050Ti 4GB
12GB RAM (1 x 4GB, 1 x 8GB)
1TB 7200 rpm Hard Drive
Backlit keyboard
Swap out 1TB hard drive for 500GB Samsung 850 EVO SSD for ~$160
Replace one of the 4GB RAM with 8GB RAM to give you 16GB total for $80-$90
Even with hardware upgrades, you're still at almost half the price of the Macbook Pro.