It's clear that people who blindly follow Apple will see things in Apple's favour regardless of anything. We all just read how Apple LOST to Nokia. But did the Apple followers see it that way? Of course not. They spun it as if Apple won. When a company like Apple "settles" and at the same time they are on the shorter side of that settlement, it just means they failed at trying to get away with something that they didn't want to pay for. And again, none of the blind Apple followers had anything to say about it, other than, Apple came out on top, and made smart business moves. Apple just finished raping Android's notification, and again, the Apple loyalist completely came out saying how great it is with absolutely no credit to Android. All they while they truly believe Samsung is not a leading innovator in the tech world. It's utterly laughable. So no matter how much FACT you introduce, it's being presented to the blind.
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Apple Adds New Samsung Products to Infringement Lawsuit, Strengthens Assertions
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I don't think fairness or karma have anything to do with it.
In 2007 they didn't have a substantial case. Now they do. Now it's time for them to claim the megabucks! And I'm sure the success of the past few years, coupled with all these imitations, have done wonders for Apple egos. After all, imitation is the highest form of flattery, is it not?
Well that's just it, isn't it?
Apple's always been litigious and has always been very particular about their IP. This is nothing new. This wasn't done out of fear or worry. This is Apple. They are the ones who tend to cause fear and worry. This hasn't changed. They have their respective markets locked up. The iPhone will continue to sell in record numbers, and the tablet market is looking increasingly like the iPod market.
What's changed this time is that Apple waited. They waited until everyone else had full pipelines of products, until everyone else was fully committed to their roadmaps. Now the parties in hot water are left saying, "wtf are we supposed to do after all this time?? What are we going to do, now that we're fully committed to these designs??"
Genius, Apple. Sheer genius.
Lost? How? We don't know the details of the deal between Apple and Nokia. Apple was holding out for the same price that Nokia charged everyone else.
We don't know whether they ended up getting the deal they wanted. Apple and everyone else knew they had to pay Nokia at some point. There was never any getting around that. You create a modern smartphone today, you'll have no choice but to use Nokia's IP. These are wireless standards that can't be avoided. There is really no way not to enter into an agreement with Nokia. The question, however, is for how much.
Android users need to be watching the Nokia/WIN7 Mobile arrival. Going to put the hurt on Android more than iOS ever will.
Some of the smartphones Apple included in that list don't have anything in similar to the iPhone. For example, the Nexus S. No rows like the iPhone, curved glass, different size, ... what?
Thats whats throws the credibility out the window on this for me. Its just Apple trying to be the school yard bully again.
When is apple going to support flash, divx, and other standard OPTIONS on the iphone?
Does steve jobs still believe in choice, or are those days gone (if they ever existed)?
Does steve jobs still believe in choice, or are those days gone (if they ever existed)?
LOL, you point is what? So they are different than Google, Microsoft, IBM, Intel, Exxon/Mobile, Samsung, Lodsys, HTC, Tyson Chicken, The American Beef Association, and finally Ben and Jerry's!
Aw I upset you. Sorry.
Thanks for your "research" though. LOL
Yes I do like to get the "apple fanboy" hurlers all worked up don't I. I even got you to spend some time researching my posts. Now run along and ignore me before I teach you some more lessons.
Oh and thanks for making your avatar similar to mine. Another positive feedback.
As if you have any experience with that phone apart from seeing the photo of it on these forums.
It baffles me how people can become so religiously devoted to a COMPANY that they simply categorically dismiss everything made by another company.
I don't bash Samsung even though I only have one experience with them, a bad one with the most worthless phone I have ever held in my hand (no, not one of those mentioned here).
Alot of people seem very satisfied with their Samsung phones, and recently I've even heard Galaxy S2 owners talk about their phone the same way iPhone owners do, you know, "I didn't think it was possible to fall in love with a phone but I have" and so on
Not true. You can decline to enforce your patents and not lose them so long as you pay the maintenance. You cannot, however, decline to enforce your trademarks and expect to be able to enforce them later. Trademarks must be actively enforced and protected. This case is about "trade dress" which deals with confusing customers, design patents, and some engineering patents. Nilay Patel over at This is my next did a great analysis of the lawsuit -- it is certainly worth the read.
If you've got a Mac, hold down CTRL, CMD & D and hover the mouse cursor over the word. All will be revealed.
Wow -- I never knew this. This rocks.
Hillarious. This is right in line with "trade dress" lawsuits since it is about squashing folks who try to create knock-offs.
The irony I see the most is that Android completely ripped off tons of things from iOS and the one thing that Apple took back was notifications. I think that makes the score like 5000 to 1. However, I think there is a reason that the iOS notifications look so much like Android and not like WebOS. The guy who developed the WebOS notifications now works for Apple. Palm filed patent applications on some of his work. Further, by jumping ship to Apple and creating the same system for them or something based on the patents held by HP would make Apple liable. I think they copied Android because HP locked up too much IP in the area of something better and the Android stuff had no protection around it.
As far as RIM, I really don't see why folks give them so much credit for messaging. Messaging was around before RIM -- they just put it on a smartphone and locked it in to a proprietary network of RIM devices. Return receipts and delivery acknowledgement are cool and RIM is the first to do them in a smart phone, but not the first to do them. Certainly Apple did not innovate here, but they followed in RIM's footsteps for copying the innovation that came before them and trying to implement it in a successful way.
Check out Nilay Patel's piece over at This is my next.
You are right about those devices -- they look nothing like Apple's. But I do not believe Apple is naming those devices for "trade dress" or "design patent" violations. Those must be in regard to some of the engineering patents in the lawsuit (and they just added more patents to the list).
Samsung copied the main screen of the device -- the home screen. See above for my thoughts on the Android notification copying. The score is still Google-rip-offs-of-Apple: 5000 / Apple-rip-offs-of-Google: 1. I think the Android lovers are going to screaming "they copied our notifications" until the end of the earth. But seriously, they had limited options based on who they hired to design them and HP-owned intellectual property issues.
It's both "trade dress" and "patent" (no actual trademarks are named as far as I know).
Google is still in the lead with the number of rip-offs. Apple needs to get off their butts and steal more of Google's ideas.
No the nexus S one isn't even close to funny.
They included in the list, the Samsung Replenish.
It looks like a blackberry. how anyone can say they thought it was an iphone is beyond me. I guess some lawyers and politicians who are used to lying all the time might be able to make that claim.
What can I tell you. I see Samsung's product line as strong copies of Apple. I don't get the same feeling from other tablet manufacturers. For myself it is the combination of the hardware plus UI. It is a matter of opinion I guess. And nothing we say will change each other's opinion.
You don't think Nokias patents should've been!? Nokia holds patents on important parts of GSM technology, patents they bought from Ericsson who spent lots of money researching and inventing it. This is the purpose of patents, to give inventors an incentive to even bother.
You're think of trademarks. Patents don't have such a requirement.
Not likely. Barely anyone at Apple knew about the iPhone ahead of time. It's extremely doubtful they would've shown the Google CEO.
Especially since Jobs must've known that Google had bought Android Inc back in 2005 to create a phone. This is long before the iPhone project began in earnest.
Umm, yes but with an important addendum:
It took many years of expensive R&D by all the companies that came before Apple, to get the smartphone parts and cell infrastructure in place for Apple to take advantage of, as a Johnny-come-lately with no legacy devices to support.
Without all those other companies' hard work, there could be no iPhone. Apple was smart to wait until the time was ripe, but they get no credit for setting up the basic playing field or taking risks.
I have evidence that it's a blatant ripoff right next to me.
I showed my fiance (who knows almost nothing about tech of any sort) the picture of the iPhone 3GS, and asked her what kind of phone it was.
"iPhone"
I showed her the picture of the Samsung phone in question.
"iPho... Wait..."
I showed my fiance (who knows almost nothing about tech of any sort) the picture of the iPhone 3GS, and asked her what kind of phone it was.
"iPhone"
I showed her the picture of the Samsung phone in question.
"iPho... Wait..."
All they have to do is show pictures of what Samsung's phones looked like before the iPhone. It's pretty obvious. Still, while IANAL, I can't help but feel Apple is going to have a hard time proving their case here such that they receive a settlement or an order to block Samsung from selling their phones. These "look and feel" lawsuits never seem to come out well.
Shame with all Apples money they cant come up with original ideas. They just keep stealing other peoples ideas
Great new feature in Lion FULL SCREEN APPS! OMG!
Wasn't Apple a few years ago bashing full screen apps saying they impaired productivity rather than enhance productivity?
Shame with all Apples money they cant come up with original ideas. They just keep stealing other peoples ideas
Great new feature in Lion FULL SCREEN APPS! OMG!
Yeah, they only created the blueprint for the entire smartphone industry today. Then they went on to create the blueprint for mobile computing with the iPad. Plus App Store, apps, etc. Now they're bringing us into the Post-PC era and everyone else is struggling to follow.
Nearly everything meaningful to the consumer in the mobile industry today can be traced back to Apple in one way or the other. If it weren't for them the mobile landscape would look *completely* different today, probably for the worse, judging by what was going on pre-iPhone.
When you do get your HTC Sensation, say "Thank you, Apple." And then enjoy.
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Good, how about you let her actually feel the phones.
She will notice that they are not that similar.LOL to using cherry picked images.
It is a fact that the first thing that the human brain recognizes about an object is its size/shape and colour. Both phones have the same colour and shape and so they will look similar, regardless of how the device is rearranged.