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Earlier today, we noted that a U.S. judge late last week declined to issue a preliminary injunction barring Samsung from selling several of its Galaxy smartphone and tablet devices in the United States while Apple's case alleging patent and design infringement moved through the courts. From the decision released by Judge Lucy Koh, The Verge noted that it had seen portions of the court order that had been redacted and which revealed that Apple had licensed one specific iOS interface patent to both Nokia and IBM. Samsung had, however, declined to license the invention when offered the option by Apple as part of settlement talks in late 2010.

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Reuters now reveals how that redacted portion of the court order came to light, as the initially-posted court order had mistakenly allowed the redacted text to be visible upon copying and pasting.
In her 65-page ruling denying Apple's request for a preliminary injunction against Samsung, Koh attempted to redact nearly two dozen sentences or short fragments. But because of a formatting characteristic in the prior electronic version, the redacted material can be viewed by copying text from the PDF and pasting it into another document.
The publicly-available version of the court order has been corrected and the redacted portions are no longer visible, but Reuters shares a few tidbits of information revealed in the redacted portions.

Perhaps most significantly, Koh cites as part of her rationale Apple's admission that Samsung is more likely to take market share from other Android manufacturers than it is from Apple.
According to the redacted portions, Apple's own studies show that existing customers are unlikely to switch from iPhones to Samsung devices. Instead, the evidence suggests an increase in sales of Samsung smartphones is likely to come at the expense of other smartphones with Android operating systems, Koh wrote.
The admission is not a tremendous surprise given the barriers to switching app ecosystems and surveys of iOS device owners reporting significant loyalty to the platform, but it is interesting to see Apple's formal admission of the relatively low risks Samsung poses to Apple's current user base. Apple would of course argue that Samsung's alleged infringement would prove to be a bigger threat regarding users who are just moving to a smartphone for the first time.

Another interesting revelation from the court order is Samsung's argument that Apple shouldn't be awarded an injunction in part due to the sheer impossibility of Apple being able to keep up with demand for smartphone devices by itself. But Koh acknowledged that such an argument was "dubious" in the face of testimony and evidence presented by Apple claiming that it is indeed capable of meeting demand.

The dispute between Apple and Samsung has been receiving the most attention in the media given the number of cases going on around the world and the numerous day-to-day developments. But the first major decision in the United States may actually come when the International Trade Commission decides whether to rule in favor of Apple's request for a ban on the import of HTC smartphones over patent infringement. A final ruling on that request had been scheduled for tomorrow, but has been delayed until December 14th.

Article Link: Apple Admits to Court that Samsung Will Draw More Customers from Android than iOS
 
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Interesting. The battle is really going to be for new users.
 
Can we please put this court stuff on page 2?

Plus a million!

Let's not clog up page one with the same info. (Apple and Samsung in a lawsuit)

We get it ! It will shake out in court and either Apple pays Samsung or Samsung pays Apple, or..............
 
"...Apple's admission that Samsung is more likely to take market share from other Android manufacturers than it is from Apple."

Important point for any investors long AAPL.
 
People used the same workaround in some PDFs from the US government that had redacted info. The text was still there and when copying and pasting it was totally visible.

nice work, adobe.


Can we please put this court stuff on page 2?

Haha, seriously, I vote for this.

Court tensions were high today when someone in court audibly farted, but nobody would admit to passing gas. Apple lawyers insist it was samsung, but the judge over ruled citing the classic 3rd grade court case: "He who smelt it, dealt it."
 
Apple and Samsung need to get a room and just get it over with!

Seriously.

I thought Steve Jobs said the way to succeed as a company is to 'innovate', I don't remember a quote where he said the way to succeed is to 'litigate'.
 
"I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this." -Steve Jobs.
 
just sayin'

I know, the tablet force is strong w/ Apple. Competitors may have played the copycat card (annoying and tacky) but I think new customers will be turned off by these lawsuits and see them as petty. Food for thought.
 
Android fan boy here :p

Of course, samsung makes way better stuf than apple. Only props to apple though as they get more sales from uneducated tech free people. Thats one thing I like about Apple, they have built up reputation for their friendly UI that just works because it's simple and easy to use.

Android on the other hand of course it's somewhat Identical (exactly the same for texting/calling) but for like gaming, benchmarks/performance, mod/hack/customization. Props goes out to android for all that jazz but the thing is that people are so "Use to" apple's way of selling stuff from their ads that they feel norm to them so the "uneducated people" usually go out to buy the apple products.

Then theres those hardcore apple fans who are tech educated and will back up apple, not gonna blame them...

Anyways, if Apple droped their limitations while keeping the friendly UI they always have had, I'm sure they'll boost in sales. Until that day, Android will always rule on the mod/hack/customization area. If you don't believe me on customization search up custom rom, beautiful widget/fancy widget, adw launcher/go launcher, etc. All that stuf except custom rom you don't even need to hack your phone to do so unlike iphone/pod/pad and even then the themes you download off (certain sites or source that i wont mention) are pretty crappy and too much effort to do.

let the spazz/flame begin lol...

Android rules :)
 
"I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this." -Steve Jobs.

It kind of looks like the middlin' success that either side of this battle has had at this point would suggest that this whole battle with Samsung is a waste of time.

It would be one thing if most of the courts around the world (especially the U.S.) were siding with Apple's claims. But some 'moderate' decisions in Apple's favor in Australia and Germany (which looks like they may well be reversed anyway) makes all this seem like a big battle over a whole lot of nothing at this point.

Apple should stop paying the lawyers and drop the price of their stuff a little. ;)
 
MacRumors portion of article said:
Another interesting revelation from the court order is Samsung's argument that Apple shouldn't be awarded an injunction in part due to the sheer impossibility of Apple being able to keep up with demand for smart phone devices by itself. But Koh acknowledged that such an argument was "dubious" in the face of testimony and evidence presented by Apple claiming that it is indeed capable of meeting demand.
Samsung may be in a position to make more devices than Apple, maybe not, but Apple has been investing in entire factories to ramp capacity including in China, Japan, Brazil, and others. I suspect that any shortage is due to Apple being VERY forward leaning on release dates to get first mover advantage, and "excessive demand rate on release", not in actual production capacity.

I am pretty sure Samsung does not sell millions of units per week at any time, much less on the week of release into a given market, domestic or foreign.

Rocketman
 
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It kind of looks like the middlin' success that either side of this battle has had at this point would suggest that this whole battle between Samsung is a waste of time.


Agreed. Both platforms are successful and will continue to succeed.
 
Android fan boy here :p

Of course, samsung makes way better stuf than apple.

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let the spazz/flame begin lol...

Android rules :)

I hope not. I'm a hardcore Apple guy from '85. Have 7 macs in the house, 2 iphones, ipad, apple tv, bla bla bla.

But you were polite and stated your opinion. If you get flamed, it won't entirely surprise me, just another example that a few spazzes here are so into Apple they can't have a level headed discussion about this.
 
"I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this." -Steve Jobs.

Maybe if Steve spent less time butthurt with furious rage over android, adobe, microsoft, Samsung (notice a pattern), motorola, psystar etc he would still be alive today.
 
yeah, crappy ones.

Yeah, being able to send and retrieve mp3s from Android without proprietary software is a crappy option. As is the same functionality for movies. Being able to customize my homescreen, notifications, CPU speed, lock screens, widgets, keyboards, etc are also crappy options.

Its also crappy that I have an SD Card slot and can exchange my battery at will without voiding my warranty.

Get real.
 
I know, the tablet force is strong w/ Apple. Competitors may have played the copycat card (annoying and tacky) but I think new customers will be turned off by these lawsuits and see them as petty. Food for thought.

You're projecting your own attitudes on the market.

Customers barely know any of this is going on. Customers aren't turned off by any of this because they don't care. Apple's been suing everyone possible for years, and consumers didn't care back then, either.

It's all about the goods - more iPads and iPhones for everyone. No one cares about legal BS. People don't moralize about tech.
 
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