Apple adopting Merom (Core 2 Duo) Processors?

[darrens]

Actually, Win2K Server and later can support 3 GiB of private RAM per process - there's a boot flag to raise the 2 GiB limit to 3 GiB

Aah - the app I'm developing is a client app - Win2k Professional. So doesn't help really.

Linux also supports the 64 GiB limit with 32-bit CPUs - remember that Windows isn't the only other x86 operating system 😉

True - but it's the only x86 OS that is used seriously by businesses as a client. We use Solaris as a backend so all our stuff is cross platform and deals with all the same endian issues as universal apps have to.

You can get Solaris for x86, and it's free too!

Edit: Hopefully, OsX will become more widely used now it uses x86. I certainly don't see Linux on the desktop taking off too soon.

 

[Bengt77]

I think if there's any product that deserves to have a Merom in it this monday, it has to be the iMac. It's been virtually the same since the day it rolled out earlier this year.

Hell yeah! Couldn't agree with you any more. But then again, I'm eagerly awaiting a new (Core 2 Duo) iMac.

 

[cisco kid]

faster macs

Not should and my bet is they will hit the mac book pro 1rst but it will also come out in black so I can dump my Dell paperweight.

 

[Linito]

wtf, microsoft is doing something like that already, with msn live and ofice live and vista live and its crap!, the heel with live i don't want my computer to be more web dependent that already is... instead get with the fixing of intel books defects.

 

[Detlev]

This is also the sort of app that gets the least advantage from conversion. It's still a fair amount of work to change development environments when there's no real advantage to it. Especially when Intuit is really given token support to the Mac anyway.

I cannot imagine that running a database of the scale in QuickBooks will not see a significant increase in speed and usability. I do not know about the Quicken support but QuickBooks is very good.

It's hardly the same - you have to boot a second copy of MacOS to run a classic app (which is really slow) and it doesn't integrate seamlessly. You can hardly tell an app is running in Rosetta - there's no visual difference.

How long will Rosetta be supported? Classic support was removed after how long? It would be terrible if Rosetta were not being installed on new machines within the next 18 months. The majority of users would be affected. Fact is, financials are a necessary evil.

 

[Romanesq]

Pre-Season

Speaking of Football, NBC Premieres Sunday Night Football this Sunday night at 8PM East - 5PM West live from Canton Ohio. John Madden is inducted into the Hall of Fame on Saturday and then shares the booth with Al Michaels in their new HD premiere broadcast pitting the Oakland Raiders against the Philadelphia Eagles. Let the games begin. 😀

We get 10 exhibition games this month from the three broadcast networks. Whoopie. 😀

Yeah, whoopdie damn do. Preseason. Isn't that like watching the European NFL? Blah.

Give me real football. If not at least give me the padded version when it counts for something.

Forza Italia!

 

[Multimedia]

I Believe Rosetta Will Be In The Intel OS X Permanently

I cannot imagine that running a database of the scale in QuickBooks will not see a significant increase in speed and usability. I do not know about the Quicken support but QuickBooks is very good.

Until we get a negative report from a user, I don't see why TWO Cores running a PPC application in Rosetta will be significantly slower for a simple text based database type application.

How long will Rosetta be supported? Classic support was removed after how long? It would be terrible if Rosetta were not being installed on new machines within the next 18 months. The majority of users would be affected. Fact is, financials are a necessary evil.

I Believe Rosetta Will Be In OS X Permanently. Way too many PPC users out there for Rosetta to ever be deleted from the Intel OS X. You think the millions of PPC Macs are suddenly going to stop being used? PPC Support is not going to go away for a very long time - perhaps never. I know my Quad G5 will be useful for the rest of my life and probably last many decades into the future - perhaps forever. To predict the demise of PPC Macs - especially G3, G4 and G5 versions is really not putting yourself in the shoes of millions of users who have no intention of ever buying an Intel Mac because they are perfectly happy with the one they already have.

I am not cynical enough to believe Rosetta will ever be removed. Rosetta is NOT OS 9. There is no corollary between Rosetta and Classic. Classic is launching an entirely different OS. Rosetta is simply allowing OS X apps written for PPC to run on Intel processors. I do not see the connection you do.

I don't mean to read harsh, but I think your premise that Apple will remove Rosetta in 18 months is quite absurd. 🙄 😱

 

[Multimedia]

Thursday September 7, 8PM East NBC HD - Dolphis at Steelers

Yeah, whoopdie damn do. Preseason. Give me real football. If not at least give me the padded version when it counts for something.

Thursday September 7, 8PM East NBC - Dolphis at Steelers game kicks off the regular season.

Meanwhile I enjoy watching the rookies try to make the cut. And I LOVE HD Football and especially the new NBC Sunday Night slot. So while you ignore all these games, I will be enjoying them in HD. 🙂

Hoboken - home town of Frank Sinatra. Love that place. 🙂

 

[ChickenSwartz]

Actually every weekend in Oz is about eating (BBQ) drinking (VB) and watching football (actualy... rugby, aussie rules, and cricket)

(i must say that i do like american football)

😀 so you could say that we celebrate thxgiving 52 times per year

But it is a national holiday.
And then there is the day after Thanksgiving, lovingly known as Black Friday, the official start to the holiday shopping season. Every store that cancall them selves a store opens at 5-6am and has sales out the ***. I got a 120gb HD for FREE (after rebates).

 

[IlluminatedSage]

Wasn't there a decent price difference between the PB 12" and the 15" but had the same processor? I have no idea. I'm really just asking because i'm curious.

That and i'm at like 478 posts from when I last checked...

EDIT: Scratch that 574 posts... Represent!!! i'm now a 6502 what ever that means! and my picture is up sweet...

what does this mean, the more posts you have, your avatar shows up?

 

[DeepIn2U]

Speaking of Football, NBC Premieres Sunday Night Football this Sunday night at 8PM East - 5PM West live from Canton Ohio. John Madden is inducted into the Hall of Fame on Saturday and then shares the booth with Al Michaels in their new HD premiere broadcast pitting the Oakland Raiders against the Philadelphia Eagles. Let the games begin. 😀

We get 10 exhibition games this month from the three broadcast networks. Whoopie. 😀

I rate the Steelers to win September 7th. btw, Multimedia ... I was wondering if I could ask a dual favor. Could you please record the first week of season games (pre-season as well) and put them on a server or youtube or even on your site so that i can download them, please? (thought I could give it a try.)😉

 

[50548]

My iBook G3 500 is already asking to be retired...a Merom MB with a slightly better GPU would be a great addition to the family... 😉

 

[Zadillo]

Edit: Hopefully, OsX will become more widely used now it uses x86. I certainly don't see Linux on the desktop taking off too soon.

I don't know, seems like Ubuntu is getting a lot of attention as a desktop OS. I have to admit I tried it out on my PC laptop (which was actually easier to install than Windows), and was pretty impressed by it. Everything seemed to work smoothly, Ubuntu even recognized the wireless drivers, etc. and installing and updating software was incredibly easy.

 

[danielwsmithee]

I don't know, seems like Ubuntu is getting a lot of attention as a desktop OS. I have to admit I tried it out on my PC laptop (which was actually easier to install than Windows), and was pretty impressed by it. Everything seemed to work smoothly, Ubuntu even recognized the wireless drivers, etc. and installing and updating software was incredibly easy.

I agree I have used Ubuntu and a few machines it is very good. There is no reason currently it could not be just as successful as Windows on the desktop. The hard part is getting people to switch and may business apps are only written for Windows.

 

[digitalbiker]

I am not cynical enough to believe Rosetta will ever be removed. Rosetta is NOT OS 9. There is no corollary between Rosetta and Classic. Classic is launching an entirely different OS. Rosetta is simply allowing OS X apps written for PPC to run on Intel processors. I do not see the connection you do.

I don't mean to read harsh, but I think your premise that Apple will remove Rosetta in 18 months is quite absurd. 🙄 😱

I think you are being very naive if you think rosetta will be supported by Apple forever. I believe it will definitely be around longer than 18 months but both UB code and rosetta are stop gap transition features.

Years from now if Apple stays intel we will see OSX migrate and change and rosetta will be put to rest and eventually PPC users will be forced to upgrade if they want support and new apps.

Classic is almost exactly like rosetta in that it is an artificially supported environment so that Apple users could run older applications as a stop gap measure durring a transition period. Classic lived until the next major transition. Similarly rosetta will probably live until the next major transition.

I agree with you though that it will probably be quite awhile before the PPC machine becomes obsolete enough for UB code to be dropped. After all it will take quite awhile for the userbase of intel macs to approach the size of the PPC userbase.

Does anyone even know the number of mac users that are still running OS9 on older machines? The last numbers I heard about a couple of years ago showed that only 35% of the total Apple userbase were running OSX. Most of the users were still using their older hardware which was stuck with only going as high as OS 9. I would hope that OSX has converted most all of the old userbase by now.

 

[Lone Deranger]

A better example would be Autodesk. A hugely obese juggernaut of a developer of DCC software. Responsible for the likes of 3DS Max and it's recent assimilation of Alias.
In it's relentless drive to suck upgrade fees out of it's user base it rushed forth to release a somewhat lacklustre version 8.0 (up from 7.0.1) of Maya. (Arguably a 7.5 label would have been nearer the mark). It's main attraction being 64bit..... for Linux and Windows only. One could say that Apple is partly to blame for this due to it's hybrid 32-64bit OS making a 64bit version for OSX unfeasable.
You'd think it would be a nice gesture from Autodesk towards it's OSX community to make up for this lack in the form of a Universal Binary come the arrival of this latest iteration of Maya. Alas, not so much as a word has come forth from Autodesk. What a shame.. 🙁

The company that really deserves criticism is intuit. They recently released quicken 2007 and it was not UB. They were releasing a new product and they chose to ignore intel Mac users. Makes you wonder if they are going to stay in the mac market at all. Maybe in the future they will just recommend running parallel and windows, to use quicken on an intel mac.

 

[poppe]

Not should and my bet is they will hit the mac book pro 1rst but it will also come out in black so I can dump my Dell paperweight.

I'm still down for Charcoal/GunMetal looking MBP's. You know that Dark Dark Dark grey, that you're never really sure what color it is in certain lights.
(Not chameleon paint, however you spell it).
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what does this mean, the more posts you have, your avatar shows up?

Yeah. There are certain rules in Macrumors, like you have to have X amount of posts to enter political area, and after 500 posts your macrumors status goes to "6502" and your avatar can be displayed. What ever that means really

 

[50548]

I'm still down for Charcoal/GunMetal looking MBP's. You know that Dark Dark Dark grey, that you're never really sure what color it is in certain lights.
(Not chameleon paint, however you spell it).
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Yeah. There are certain rules in Macrumors, like you have to have X amount of posts to enter political area, and after 500 posts your macrumors status goes to "6502" and your avatar can be displayed. What ever that means really

To the younger ones, the MR scale means (somehow) the evolutionary path of chips used by Apple...6502 was the original Apple II chip, the 65816 a chip used by the IIGS and so on...

 

[digitalbiker]

A better example would be Autodesk. A hugely obese juggernaut of a developer of DCC software. Responsible for the likes of 3DS Max and it's recent assimilation of Alias.
In it's relentless drive to suck upgrade fees out of it's user base it rushed forth to release a somewhat lacklustre version 8.0 (up from 7.0.1) of Maya. (Arguably a 7.5 label would have been nearer the mark). It's main attraction being 64bit..... for Linux and Windows only. One could say that Apple is partly to blame for this due to it's hybrid 32-64bit OS making a 64bit version for OSX unfeasable.
You'd think it would be a nice gesture from Autodesk towards it's OSX community to make up for this lack in the form of a Universal Binary come the arrival of this latest iteration of Maya. Alas, not so much as a word has come forth from Autodesk. What a shame.. 🙁

I agree with you there! In my mind Adobe has been pretty straight forward about their position and I have no real complaint with their strategy.

Autodesk is another story. I am hoping that they come on board with a UB version once Apple provides better 64 bit support in Leopard.

To be honest I feel for all the Apple developers. It has been a bumpy ride for the past 10 years. Early on it was poor sales, clone wars, and 680XX to PPC. Then it was OS 9 to OS X. Motorolla to IBM. Now PPC to Intel. All have forced software developers to keep developing new versions while a windows developer could sit on their hands for years without having to change a line of code.

 

[macnews]

I think you are being very naive if you think rosetta will be supported by Apple forever. I believe it will definitely be around longer than 18 months but both UB code and rosetta are stop gap transition features.

I keep hearing this but believe it to be totally incorrect - at least the UB code part. I can't find the file from when the Intel move was announced, but as I recall, Steve said the purpose of UB code was to allow them to use multiple chips in the future. EVERYTHING is now being coded as UB - not Intel/UB. UB is supposed to allow any program to run on EITHER Intel or PPC. This gives Apple the best of both worlds so they can choose the best Intel or IBM chips should things change in 4 years.

I could see rosetta going away once 99% of apps are UB, but I really don't think UB is going anywhere.

 

[darrens]

How long will Rosetta be supported? Classic support was removed after how long? It would be terrible if Rosetta were not being installed on new machines within the next 18 months. The majority of users would be affected. Fact is, financials are a necessary evil.

Classic is still supported on new macs shipped by Apple today - on the G5 PowerMacs. That's a lot longer than 18 months after MacOS X started shipping. I can't see Rosetta going away for a long time, and I'm sure Intuit will get to changing over within 5 years!

 

[darrens]

I agree I have used Ubuntu and a few machines it is very good. There is no reason currently it could not be just as successful as Windows on the desktop. The hard part is getting people to switch and may business apps are only written for Windows.

The day Microsoft releases Office for Linux...

(WINE doesn't really cut it - I'm sure Microsoft will change their API to break WINE if it gets too popular and affects Windows market share).

 

[amac4me]

I'd like to see Apple announce that Leopard will be available in Jan or Feb 2007. Then I'd like to see Jobs show a banner that says:

"Redmond, your copiers are too slow"

Recall that when Apple introduced Tiger, they showcased large banners that said, "Redmond, start your copiers".

It would be so cool if Apple could get Leopard into the hands of customers at the same time or even prior to the release of Vista. Imagine the marketing pitch. Apple could state that their OS is two releases ahead of Windows. Imagine the buzz.

 

[poppe]

I'd like to see Apple announce that Leopard will be available in Jan or Feb 2007. Then I'd like to see Jobs show a banner that says:

"Redmond, your copiers are too slow"

Recall that when Apple introduced Tiger, they showcased large banners that said, "Redmond, start your copiers".

It would be so cool if Apple could get Leopard into the hands of customers at the same time or even prior to the release of Vista. Imagine the marketing pitch. Apple could state that their OS is two releases ahead of Windows. Imagine the buzz.

Thats insane!!! I hope they do that too. I never new that about the star your copiers... thats so so so crazy...

 

[jwdsail]

Yes, but the G3 was a more power efficient chip than the G4, while the opposite is true of the Core vs the Core2. Apple should put Core2 chips in the MacBooks ASAP, if only for the power saving. And Apple should also try to maximize the percentage of its user base that is 64 bit capable prior to the release of OS X 10.5, which should be 64 bit.

Don't forget that when they ship, the Core2 chips will cost as much as the Core chips do now. So, if Apple doesn't upgrade the MacBooks to Core2 or drop their prices, it will start to look like it is less competitive in pricing again.

Another thing to remember is that there are two Memrom lines.. One w/ 4MB cache = MBP and one w/ 2MB cache = MB. I agree with a previous poster that the entry level mini and MB could be kept at the yonah core duo chip at maybe a $99 price cut.. should be interesting..


Just my $0.02US


jwd