Apple Again Closing Some Stores in Florida, Arizona, North Carolina and South Carolina Due to Coronavirus Spikes

[Karma*Police]

It's almost as if the exact thing experts said would happen is happening. Imagine that.

The so-called experts originally said wearing masks was dangerous. 6’ social distancing is based on an outdated study and is completely arbitrary. Leading “experts” said there would be anywhere from 1.1MM to 2MM deaths in this country. Based on their models, a lockdown here in NY should have seen a dramatic slowdown in the spread within a few weeks... we’ve been in lockdown for 3 months! They said the protests will result in a massive spike... that hasn’t happened and there are no signs that will happen. Many said air travel was unsafe but airlines are now carrying over 500K passengers a day and growing every week yet there have been no signs of spread from air travel.

They all said Georgia was crazy for re-opening its economy when they did, but for 6 weeks, they continued to see declines in infections, even as they increased testing, which proves that there’s no correlation between lockdowns and infection rates, but rather, individual behavior and following common sense guidelines.

I’m not knocking them, but these so-called experts that are making claims and predictions are learning as they go along, just like the rest of us. Inevitably, some will be right, some will be wrong. I say, let the real experts working in pharma labs find us a cure and don’t let epidemiologists speak until they have useful, concrete information to share.

 

[Act3]

This just reinforces the silliness of Florida requiring only people traveling from NY / NJ / CT to quarantine for 2 weeks if they visit. NY state saw about 600 new cases in the same day that Florida saw over 3,000 new cases.

Tallahassee was a little slow down here to shut things down and way too quick to reopen. Tourism is how this state survives. We are probably in trouble down here but those in charge are still in denial. Time will tell.

 

[lunarworks]

First, you can't use "yesterday" because of the different reporting rates and delays. This is a known fact. You have to use a rolling average over about a week. So that's a case of lying by data.

Our 7 day rolling average is 384. Yours is 24,805. That's still 64x.

 

[Vasilioskn]

“BuT Mah RiGhTs!!1!1! And HeR emailsssss!!1!1”

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

The U.S. and the world can't afford to shut down a second time. People are just going to have to come to grips with the fact that diseases happen. It's a sad truth, but it's the price we pay for living our existence.

Although COVID-19 isn't an ace, Mother Nature likes to prove that she still has the cards to throw down. It's a humbling experience, and proves that humans are not yet masters of the world that we think we are.

I will NEVER accept that certain people are just throwaways and expendable so others can make money. What a horrible view.

Because it's an island with very few and tightly controlled entry points. Compare New Zealand to Alaska and Hawaii, which also had small infection rates. The same situation occurred with Japan and South Korea.

The U.S. could be that way too if we sealed our borders properly. Or at least didn’t allow it to spread from state to state to state. We really don’t try to stop it at all. Our efforts have been among the weakest on the planet, when they should be the strongest. We’re acting like a third world country here. 🙄

Death rates in the UK are at about 13%, but that is based only on diagnoses cases (which seem to be out by a factor of somewhere between 4 and 10) and then there is the fact that the deaths here are far from accurate. Anybody dying who HAS COVID is having the cause of death listed as BEING COVID...which clearly it isn't in 100% of cases. So there are a lot of unknowns about it's mortality rate. But yes, it can be lethal, so can smoking, or drinking, or driving, or flying, or a thousand other things.

We cannot stop people from dying, no matter how tragic deaths are, people will die, we will all die, sooner or later. We do what we can to help those that we can. If you can 100% guarantee that wearing a mask will mean a 70% reduction in cases, then that's one thing...but you can't...because the "science" isn't definitive. It will make a difference, of course, but I doubt it is anything close to 70%.

But yes, in essence, I don't wear a mask. Or gloves. I clean my hands and don't go licking people's faces. But beyond that it is an illness, quite how nasty it is is still TBD, and the world needs to continue. People will die, it will be tragic, but life goes on.

Not wearing a mask to protect others is just selfish unless you can absolutely guarantee you are covid-free at all times. Then it’s okay. But each exposure to other people would reset the covid clock, and thus masks or quarantine would be needed.

 

[BWhaler]

So simple just wear masks;

you can’t walk around in public naked. Your freedoms aren’t being trampled.

 

[PickUrPoison]

They all said Georgia was crazy for re-opening its economy when they did, but for 6 weeks, they continued to see declines in infections, even as they increased testing, which proves that there’s no correlation between lockdowns and infection rates, but rather, individual behavior and following common sense guidelines.

Who told you Georgia has ever had six weeks of decline in new cases? You might want to reconsider your choice of news outlets. “No correlation between lockdowns and infection rates” is a wrong conclusion based on wrong data.

Georgia never left the middle of their first wave, and re-opened without meeting the gating criteria. That was foolish, and will cost many lives.

 

[konqerror]

I will NEVER accept that certain people are just throwaways and expendable so others can make money. What a horrible view.

Why don't we shut down for flu every year?

Do you drive a car? Or use road transport? Cars result in the direct and indirect (air pollution) deaths of millions per year.

If you drive a car, thousands of people would be saved if we lowered the speed limit to 45 MPH. Why don't we?

Even look at airplanes. Why don't airplanes have more than two engines?

You order something by Amazon. Amazon drives a truck to get it to your house. Amazon, UPS, and other drivers get into car accidents with hundreds of fatalities every year. Every time you get something delivered, you're responsible in part for these deaths.

Money and lives are coupled no matter what we do. It's a trade-off we make every day. You are killing others even when you turn on a light switch.

 

[Doc69]

To be fair they are testing a lot more now, i have numerous friends who tested positive with zero symptoms. We have many drive through test sites here.

Yeah, a better metric would be to only talk about hospitalizations, i.e. how many new hospitalizations per day, how many deaths and how many patients that have returned home.

 

[iReality85]

I will NEVER accept that certain people are just throwaways and expendable so others can make money. What a horrible view.

Wow, triggered much? “Certain people are just throwaways and expendable” are your words, not mine. I never said as such. I’m merely stating facts based in reality. If you can’t handle that, that’s your own problem.

Why don't we shut down for flu every year?

There’s no use in arguing with people like him/her. There’s nothing controversial in saying that we live in a natural world that’s filled with risk and danger, and just look how it lights them up. Utterly ridiculous.

I’m good about wearing a mask, being clean, and I’ve followed everything that Gov Cuomo has told me to do during these times.

But at some point, life goes on.

People aren’t going to stay in their houses forever, keep their businesses shut, or keep socially distanced (as if the last few weeks weren’t evidence enough). It’s all been due to fear of the unknown. Eventually we’ll accept COVID-19 just as we accept all manners of other diseases that occur cyclically.

 

[mozumder]

If people can't wear masks, they should not be allowed to go outside.

 

[falainber]

And full hospitals don't only kill COVID patients. Car accident, heart attack, stroke...victims will die when they normally could have been saved.

What's your point? We might get a vaccine for Covid 19 by the end of the year. Taking precautions until then makes perfect sense. Are you expecting to get a vaccine against cars any time soon?

 

[macmyworld]

So simple just wear masks;

you can’t walk around in public naked. You’re freedoms aren’t being trampled.

Not that simple at all. Social distancing is the most effective. The effectiveness of masks is not clear. Here is an expert who disagrees that cloth and surgical masks are effective. https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/podcasts-webinars/special-ep-masks

 

[Karma*Police]

Who told you Georgia has ever had six weeks of decline in new cases? You might want to reconsider your choice of news outlets. “No correlation between lockdowns and infection rates” is a wrong conclusion based on wrong data.

Georgia never left the middle of their first wave, and re-opened without meeting the gating criteria. That was foolish, and will cost many lives.

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You’re basing that on reading fake news. The facts are very different. Just look at the graph you posted! There is a clear downward trend from the first peak to about late May/early June. If I remember correctly, Georgia opened up its economy around April 20. And their early reopening was very successful, saving hundreds of thousands of jobs and thousands of businesses from going under while cases and hospitalizations decreased. Just look at their hospitalization rates.

You don’t read about this in the news because they’re in the business of creating fear. In fact, The NY Times posted a scathing opinion piece (only a week after they reopened which isn’t enough time, btw) by a so-called expert titled, “Georgia went first. And it screwed up.” Really? Because I wish NY/NJ screwed up that badly.

In NY/NJ, we’ve had more deaths, more cases and more unemployment as a result of more businesses going under. In fact, in NJ, businesses are lining up to sue the gov’t and even local authorities are trying to rewrite the laws because they’re claiming gov Murphy is abusing his executive order privileges and keeping things locked down longer than they need to be.

Georgia is seeing an uptick in cases recently, but that’s NOT because they reopened the economy. If that were the case, they would have seen an increase in infections over a month ago (according to “experts“). It’s because people are letting their guards down.

It’s very simple, and you don’t need some expert to tell you this... Practice social distancing, wear a mask, and wash your hands frequently. If everyone does that, there’s no reason why all the economies couldn’t open up without inundating our healthcare system.

 

[PickUrPoison]

You’re basing that on reading fake news. The facts are very different. Just look at the graph you posted! There is a clear downward trend from the first peak to about late May/early June. If I remember correctly, Georgia opened up its economy around April 20. And their early reopening was very successful, saving hundreds of thousands of jobs and thousands of businesses from going under while cases and hospitalizations decreased. Just look at their hospitalization rates.

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You don’t read about this in the news because they’re in the business of creating fear. In fact, The NY Times posted a scathing opinion piece (only a week after they reopened which isn’t enough time, btw) by a so-called expert titled, “Georgia went first. And it screwed up.” Really? Because I wish NY/NJ screwed up that badly.

In NY/NJ, we’ve had more deaths, more cases and more unemployment as a result of more businesses going under. In fact, in NJ, businesses are lining up to sue the gov’t and even local authorities are trying to rewrite the laws because they’re claiming gov Murphy is abusing his executive order privileges and keeping things locked down longer than they need to be.

Georgia is seeing an uptick in cases recently, but that’s NOT because they reopened the economy. If that were the case, they would have seen an increase in infections over a month ago (according to “experts“). It’s because people are letting their guards down.

It’s very simple, and you don’t need some expert to tell you this... Practice social distancing, wear a mask, and wash your hands frequently. If everyone does that, there’s no reason why all the economies couldn’t open up without inundating our healthcare system.

Stop it. My numbers are from the Georgia public health department. They are not “fake news”

Yes, look at the graph I posted. I’ve marked May 4.

There is not any downward trend. The last 6-7 weeks it’s bee roughly flat, or rising. It’s been trending up for at least two weeks. This is a graph of new infections.

The graph you posted, hospitalizations, is quite a lagging indicator compared to new infections. The graph you posted shows how the initial lock down successfully dropped hospitalizations by more than half.

However, Georgia opened before the gating criteria were met, and without employing the proper social distancing and other White House guidelines. Unfortunately, unnecessary loss of life will be the foreseeable result.

 

[Mr_twilight]

You mean Florida? Which reported 3.3K new cases yesterday and 3.9K new cases today?

Hadn’t heard of any huge protests in Florida though.

Yes as a matter of fact I do lol I live here 😂. All of south Florida was on lock down 3 weeks ago for I believe 4 days. Cars were on fire and I was not allowed to leave my house. So yeah when Thousands of protesters shut down I-95 id say that’s pretty big 👍

 

[smoking monkey]

We should be comparing population density, in which NZ actually is more densely populated than the USA, meaning there are more citizens crammed into a square mile compared to NZ.

The point is that NZ took a unified federal approach before a material number of cases were even realized in their country, and that is why their reaction has been nearly perfect compared to the USA, which is basically the worst in the world aside from Brazil at this point.

I agree that NZ took a very good approach, but trying to argue that NZ is more a densely packed country than the USA and therefore the USA should be able to do the same as NZ is stats hiding the truth. You're averaging out the entire population across total land area. It doesn't work that way unfortunately. You have to look at pop-den in cities and compare them. NYC is 26,000 per square mile. Nowhere in NZ comes even remotely close to that. Auckland, the most densely populated city in NZ, comes in at around 1,600 per square mile.

 

[cmaier]

You’re basing that on reading fake news. The facts are very different. Just look at the graph you posted! There is a clear downward trend from the first peak to about late May/early June. If I remember correctly, Georgia opened up its economy around April 20. And their early reopening was very successful, saving hundreds of thousands of jobs and thousands of businesses from going under while cases and hospitalizations decreased. Just look at their hospitalization rates.

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You don’t read about this in the news because they’re in the business of creating fear. In fact, The NY Times posted a scathing opinion piece (only a week after they reopened which isn’t enough time, btw) by a so-called expert titled, “Georgia went first. And it screwed up.” Really? Because I wish NY/NJ screwed up that badly.

In NY/NJ, we’ve had more deaths, more cases and more unemployment as a result of more businesses going under. In fact, in NJ, businesses are lining up to sue the gov’t and even local authorities are trying to rewrite the laws because they’re claiming gov Murphy is abusing his executive order privileges and keeping things locked down longer than they need to be.

Georgia is seeing an uptick in cases recently, but that’s NOT because they reopened the economy. If that were the case, they would have seen an increase in infections over a month ago (according to “experts“). It’s because people are letting their guards down.

It’s very simple, and you don’t need some expert to tell you this... Practice social distancing, wear a mask, and wash your hands frequently. If everyone does that, there’s no reason why all the economies couldn’t open up without inundating our healthcare system.

1) his graph shows a clear flat or rising trend since May
2) your graph is hospitalizations, not cases. The former start to rise about a month after the latter start to rise, because it takes time for infected people to develop symptoms bad enough to need the hospital.

 

[cannono]

Why don't we shut down for flu every year?

Do you drive a car? Or use road transport? Cars result in the direct and indirect (air pollution) deaths of millions per year.

If you drive a car, thousands of people would be saved if we lowered the speed limit to 45 MPH. Why don't we?

Even look at airplanes. Why don't airplanes have more than two engines?

You order something by Amazon. Amazon drives a truck to get it to your house. Amazon, UPS, and other drivers get into car accidents with hundreds of fatalities every year. Every time you get something delivered, you're responsible in part for these deaths.

Money and lives are coupled no matter what we do. It's a trade-off we make every day. You are killing others even when you turn on a light switch.

This is very dumb. The rate of fatality for people who get in a car each year is far lower than the fatality rate from COVID-19 infected and we spend thousands of dollars on safety measures like requiring seatbelts to be warn, and in under 6 months COVID-19 has killed more than triple the entire annual death count of car accidents. We can only hope the records this week stop soon and don't continue for another 6 months.

Air pollution also is estimated to have contributed to far fewer deaths per year than COVID-19 has in fewer than 6 months. And again, we actually do have tons of laws now about air pollution and things you cannot do because of how it may exacerbate various greenhouse and toxic emissions.

So either you think we do indeed need to impose more legal consequences on people who are not following the safety guidelines our government and best scientists are producing, or you just are picking and choosing vague pieces of info you hope argue that we should stop thinking about the 120,000+ dead Americans.

 

[Karma*Police]

Stop it. My numbers are from the Georgia public health department. They are not “fake news”

Yes, look at the graph I posted. I’ve marked May 4.

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There is not any downward trend. The last 6-7 weeks it’s bee roughly flat, or rising. It’s been trending up for at least two weeks. This is a graph of new infections.

The graph you posted, hospitalizations, is quite a lagging indicator compared to new infections. The graph you posted shows how the initial lock down successfully dropped hospitalizations by more than half.

However, Georgia opened before the gating criteria were met, and without employing the proper social distancing and other White House guidelines. Unfortunately, unnecessary loss of life will be the foreseeable result.

Even if you willfully refuse to see the obvious (see trend lines), or read articles that refute your false assumptions, let’s say for the sake of argument that it’s flat. It doesn’t change the fact that Georgia:

1. proved all the experts who said that Georgia was opening too early and that there would be a spike in new infections completely wrong

2. Proved the media outlets that ran countless articles about how Georgia was being reckless and endangering people’s lives wrong (Judging by your comments I’m guessing you’re still influenced by them)

3. Helped save jobs and businesses, giving their economy a boost while every day, more businesses in NY and NJ close shop for good. Somehow the media has been really, really silent on this issue. Instead, they’re focusing on the worst case scenarios and falsely claiming that it’s due to reopenings and/or reopening too early, which clearly is not the case. Unfortunately, there’s too much sensationalism and not enough investigative journalism.

4. Reopening ”safely” was never about saving lives... We’re way past containment. It was always about not over-burdening the healthcare system, and in that regard, GA has passed with flying colors.

Why is it so hard for you to accept the facts? And why on earth can’t you give credit where credit is due? GA opening early and seeing so much success is a good thing!

 

[BvizioN]

All of this is so wrong, and is backed up by actual evidence (which I’m sure you’re ignoring to make up your own reality). Do you actually think people need to wear them alone in their car? Are you serious?

I believe all of it is PURE BS with no clear evidence (studies that contradict each other) but you are free to believe that propaganda (your reality) all you want. And btw, you dint even read my comment properly. I did not say THEY NEED to wear masks when they drive their car on their own. If anything is dangerous. Breathing back their CO2. But people still do. What I said is, it is utterly stupid when they do, it is like their brain has stopped functioning.
Lastly, I am not ignoring anything. In the UK it is mandatory to use these silly masks on public transport which I will avoid using PT at any cost, including Airplanes until all this madness has passed. And NO, I don’t wear them and I do not intend to.

 

[cmaier]

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Even if you willfully refuse to see the obvious (see trend lines), or read articles that refute your false assumptions, let’s say for the sake of argument that it’s flat. It doesn’t change the fact that Georgia:

1. proved all the experts who said that Georgia was opening too early and that there would be a spike in new infections completely wrong

2. Proved the media outlets that ran countless articles about how Georgia was being reckless and endangering people’s lives wrong (Judging by your comments I’m guessing you’re still influenced by them)

3. Helped save jobs and businesses, giving their economy a boost while every day, more businesses in NY and NJ close shop for good. Somehow the media has been really, really silent on this issue. Instead, they’re focusing on the worst case scenarios and falsely claiming that it’s due to reopenings and/or reopening too early, which clearly is not the case. Unfortunately, there’s too much sensationalism and not enough investigative journalism.

4. Reopening ”safely” was never about saving lives... We’re way past containment. It was always about not over-burdening the healthcare system, and in that regard, GA has passed with flying colors.

Why is it so hard for you to accept the facts? And why on earth can’t you give credit where credit is due? GA opening early and seeing so much success is a good thing!

LOL. That’s not how you curve fit. Though this post will provide great entertainment for statisticians the world over.

 

[Karma*Police]

LOL. That’s not how you curve fit. Though this post will provide great entertainment for statisticians the world over.

Why would you need a curve fit to quickly show a clear as day downward trend? You read the article I linked to right? Rather than accept the truth, you pout and resort to trivial criticism. That’s fine, go on believing the lies and living in your fantasy world. I’ll continue to process the facts and root for continued success for other states... and countries.

 

[Tech198]

People aren’t wearing masks.

Marks are not the magic bullet..,. Western Australia, perth, escaped most, as not many of us not wearing masks.

NSW and eastern states got it all. and now we have a ding-bat president who reckons WE should open our boarders because they have.

Numbers don't lie.

 

[Steve686]

No vaccine and no truly agreed upon drug to treat CV19.

It's not going to die out with masks, lockdowns, shutdowns, or any other social distancing measure we take.

It's only going to slow its onslaught with our feeble measures.

So all these graphs, numbers, stats and models are fun for number geeks to pore over and try to extrapolate an outcome from while laying out plans to fight the battle.

But you know what?

Man plans and God laughs. Greatest phrase ever.