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Apple Again Closing Some Stores in Florida, Arizona, North Carolina and South Carolina Due to Coronavirus Spikes
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Was that what got them over the top of the curve though? Or was it just that it ripped through the city fast enough so that enough people got it to create a degree of "herd immunity" and the slowing down is a natural results of the virus following a normal viral trajectory, just at a very fast rate?
They're nowhere near herd immunity, maybe 15% at most according to antibody tests
This isn't the whole story.
Exactly. I'm so sick of folks saying "of course cases are higher! we are testing more".
In most of the USA, testing is increasing in each state, but certainly not by the same factor that the % of these tests are coming back positive. This may shock many people, but data scientists are able to extrapolate how a virus is spreading beyond just reviewing # of cases and # of tests performed. The data is telling us much more, but per usual, the typical American thinks they know more than a subject matter specialist, and so the cycle of stupid behavior continues.
It won't be long before states with citizens that think COVID is a hoax, and/or don't wear masks, are back in a full shutdown again. Or they'll elect to not shut down and watch additional unnecessary deaths happen.
Granted, closing of the retails store for Apple is not as critical as closing for some other types of businesses. Still, I think we should recognize Apple for being responsible in this difficult situation.
Herd immunity requires over 70% of population to be immune. NY is not even close.
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Protecting Health, Saving Lives—Millions at a Time
I fail to see how a protest is different than a rally. While I agree social distancing and wearing a mask should be a part of protesting, much of the USA decided it was "over" COVID and the shutdown before protests.
Many years ago..."scientists" insisted the world was flat! Scientists are not infallible, but they are being treated as much by many because the world seems to have lost the ability for independent, critical thought. If you listen to much of the "science", it often contradicts itself, and that is without even considering the fact that the "science" has never been agreed upon by all and there have been several complete U-turns since this started.
Don't agree everything you are told just because the person is an "expert"...experts can be wrong...and "experts" can be not experts.
You mean Florida? Which reported 3.3K new cases yesterday and 3.9K new cases today?
Hadn’t heard of any huge protests in Florida though.
Amazing how a person on a fan-site focused around a company whose products only exist due to science has literally no understanding of science whatsoever.
Your push to invalidate scientists with idiocy is only resulting in your own embarrassment.
Yeah, "many" being the keyword. Technology is so much better now and science has improved.
And we have data. People who got tested after attending protests in liberal cities where most people wore masks are only seeing around a 1% positive rate-
Early Data Show No Uptick in Covid-19 Transmission From Protests
Early testing data from a handful of U.S. cities and states suggest that recent protests against racial injustices haven’t yet led to a marked uptick in new cases.
www.wsj.com
This is so true. The best move for the economy would have been an earlier but more severe shutdown, combined with travel limitations when it first became evident how serious this was (by all accounts, this was extremely evident on the federal level by mid-February and reasonably evident even sooner). We might be able to do a real reopening had that happened. Now, though, we can still get some degree of containment by testing, tracking, distancing, very carefully phasing reopening, and requiring masks whenever people are around others. Doing all that -- as difficult as it seems to be for some -- would help the economy in the long run (not to mention saving lives in the process).
Your logic is flawed. If masks stop the spread, wearing them inside would be sufficient protection.
Apple closing stores is a safety measure and absolutely necessary, especially given it’s not just about the customer protection, but employees as well.
Side note:
It’s unfortunate. People can’t take what’s been educated to them from back in March, and that was to create physical distancing while masking. But, now that summer is here, everybody has put all logic aside in hopes of their own flawed thinking, “Oh, it’s summertime, no one can catch it.” And now you have the southern states who are seeing a massive surge, again.
Side note:
It’s unfortunate. People can’t take what’s been educated to them from back in March, and that was to create physical distancing while masking. But, now that summer is here, everybody has put all logic aside in hopes of their own flawed thinking, “Oh, it’s summertime, no one can catch it.” And now you have the southern states who are seeing a massive surge, again.
Masks do help limit the spread. Your logical fallacy doesn't change that reality.
Does Wearing a Mask Prevent the Flu?
Learn when masks can help and what other hygiene measures to take for prevention.
www.healthline.com
Boy is there gonna be egg on our mask-wearing faces when the non-mask-wearers prove themselves right by dying of, uh, pneumonia.
The U.S. and the world can't afford to shut down a second time. People are just going to have to come to grips with the fact that diseases happen. It's a sad truth, but it's the price we pay for living our existence.
Although COVID-19 isn't an ace, Mother Nature likes to prove that she still has the cards to throw down. It's a humbling experience, and proves that humans are not yet masters of the world that we think we are.
Although COVID-19 isn't an ace, Mother Nature likes to prove that she still has the cards to throw down. It's a humbling experience, and proves that humans are not yet masters of the world that we think we are.
Masks aren't 100%. There's still some risk of transmission, albeit greatly reduced.
Population is an irrelevant statistic, unless you want to compare total infections per total population to get a ratio and compare that with the USA, but we already know USA blows NZ out of the water on this comparison.
We should be comparing population density, in which NZ actually is more densely populated than the USA, meaning there are more citizens crammed into a square mile compared to NZ.
The point is that NZ took a unified federal approach before a material number of cases were even realized in their country, and that is why their reaction has been nearly perfect compared to the USA, which is basically the worst in the world aside from Brazil at this point.
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Herd immunity requires over 70% of population to be immune. NY is not even close.
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Protecting Health, Saving Lives—Millions at a Timewww.jhsph.edu
You literally just picked the first result on Google!! OK, here are a few more for you:
https://www.healthline.com/health/herd-immunity#how-it-works (Anywhere between 40 and 95%)
https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-comments-about-herd-immunity/ (Around 60%)
https://www.sciencealert.com/why-herd-immunity-will-not-save-us-from-the-covid-19-pandemic (92% for mumps)
Interestingly, that last link comes up with the same 70% number but at least qualifies it by saying that it reaches that number because of the R number of 3. COVID currently has (in the UK at least) an R number of below 1.
Plus, until every person has been tested for both a current infection and antibodies, you have know way of saying with any authority what percentage of people in NYC (or any city) have had the virus.
Yeah of course I did, I'm not going to waste additional time on anti-science mis-information spreaders such as yourself, when as you just showed, you can google yourself.
If you had taken the time to read any of those articles (you didn't), you'd realize that:
- They prove what I said correct and what you said wrong.
- The higher the ease of transmission, the greater the required percentage of population needing to be immune, of which COVID is easily spread and therefore will require higher percentages of the population to be immune.
WRONG! I went to an Apple store a few weeks ago and besides getting my temperature checked and having to answer detailed health questions related to Covid-19, I also had to be wearing a mask to enter the sore. Apple is being far more careful than many other recently opened retailers & even many grocery stores. Thanks, Apple
I am anything but embarrassed. Please tell me how I am invalidating scientists by saying that what is regarding as immutable truth by scientists can be discovered later to be a falsehood? I am not saying that scientists are inherently wrong, what I am saying is that scientists do not have some innate knowledge of the physical world, they simply carry out research and experimentation and, based on the results of that, reach conclusions. If the facts of anything were discoverable simply by a thought experiment then we would probably already be out exploring the depths of the universe.
ALL scientific knowledge of this virus has been accumulated in a few months (building to some extent on SARS research, but this is a new virus). It is very much a work-in-progress. It is also something that not everybody has agreed upon, even within the scientific community. So while there is dissent among those equally qualified to be called experts then I don't think that there can be anything approaching a definitive set of facts. Even the WHO has flip-flopped on some of its guidance.
So yeah, nothing embarrassing about pointing out that "facts" are absolute but "truth" can change. We are in the "truth" stage, we haven't yet reached the "facts". Plus, my point about independent thought doesn't invalidate scientists at all, what it does it allow a person to consider alternative opinions, some of which may validate the "science", some of which may contradict it, some of which may be credible, some of which isn't. But critical thinking is a skill that everybody should have.