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Apple Again Closing Some Stores in Florida, Arizona, North Carolina and South Carolina Due to Coronavirus Spikes
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Good job, Apple. Just keep dragging this out instead of just letting everyone get this and be done with this stupid BS.
The average of the studies you cited is greater than 70%, which is a pretty good ratio of reducing transmission. No one ever cited 100% or that masks were perfect. Given how this virus has proven to be both contagious and lethal, and we could wear a mask to reduce the spread by 70% to save our friends, families or fellow citizens, you would still prefer to not wear a mask?
The US completely botched the response.
Part of the problem is cultural, but I believe these closures are only the beginning, and a new lockdown phase is unavoidable at this point, unless a million deaths suddenly becomes acceptable.
Part of the problem is cultural, but I believe these closures are only the beginning, and a new lockdown phase is unavoidable at this point, unless a million deaths suddenly becomes acceptable.
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Glad we don't live in the same state
If everyone were wearing a mask it might help. Since people can have it and not know it, everyone should wear a mask. We can't say this won't work since a large portion of the population will not wear a mask. They have vids on transmission with a mask and without a mask. Less transmission with a mask especially if both people are wearing one.
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Literally keep people locked down, for real, until everyone with the disease has been identified by testing, contact trace and isolate, so that you snuff it out. New Zealand did exactly that, and has no cases. Then you let people out, you keep testing, and as soon as people have symptoms you isolate, test, and contact trace.
And what exactly? Lockdown the country until a vaccine? The virus is here to stay folks. We have to learn to live with it. Staying in your home isn’t going to kill the virus. The fact that no one gets this is beyond me. I just came back from vacation in Arizona for a week. It was beautiful living life not crippled by fear.
Don't worry, anybody here who understands the scientific method is embarrassed for you.
Classic fallacy made my charlatans.
"Scientific evidence came to the wrong conclusion in the past so all of science is wrong"
Educate yourself and stop using fallacies (The first example they use in this article was what you posted almost exactly 😂):
Science was wrong before
The phrase "science was wrong before" (or variations thereof, such as "science has been wrong in the past", "science is only human", "science keeps changing", or "science is not infallible") is a fallacious technique used in order to reject or disparage a current scientific consensus, especially...
Ironically in my experience it is only the people who lack critical thinking skills that constantly make these statements.
Because the US started coming out of lockdown before it met its own guidance for when it should come out of lockdown. Cases were still increasing at an accelerating rate. That’s a stupid time to give up.
Lockdown until everyone who has it is identified and isolated. Stop with the straw man arguments.
Which ones? The ones who flip flop on their recommendations?
but the governor of Florida criticized the states that did that sort of thing and patted himself on the back.
We never had the whole country on lockdown and everyone wearing masks.
This is what happened during the 1918 pandemic. It took the 2nd wave with 100's of thousands of people dying before
everyone became true believers. human nature.
Heh how about deaths matter? You have more infections in Florida etc...with more deaths 2-4 weeks from now unfortunately.
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Oh so I am anti-science am I? And you know this how? Simply because I said that the scientists MAY not be right in everything they say? Consider the situation in the UK...
Dr Ferguson made predictions based on his scientific model for multiple epidemics/pandemics in the past and on every occasion his predictions (based on "science") were an order of magnitude wrong! I am not saying that science doesn't exist. I am not saying that science it always wrong. I am saying that science CAN be wrong.
And the articles that I quoted literally said different numbers to the 70% which you quoted as both a fact and as an invariable parameter. And yes, I do understand the concept of transmissibility, I am far more intelligent than you give me credit for. Of course a more virulent illness will require higher numbers to reach herd immunity. But the last of those articles stated that 70% was required for an illness with a transmissibility of 3. COVID simply DOES NOT have that number, at least not in the UK. It is less than 1. Therefore, by your own admission in point 2 that you made, if it is only 1 then then percentage needed will be much less than 70%.
Plus, you may be 100% correct that, on a macro level, NYC didn't benefit from herd immunity, but what about on the micro level? If people are staying in, under lockdown, in apartment buildings or other high population density areas, then herd immunity can operate within those pseudo-closed systems. If a high enough percentage of people within those environments that are positive (or recovered) then herd immunity can protect the un-infected within those "closed" communities, thereby limiting the spread within those micro-groups. Each of those micro-groups then benefits from lower infection rates. If you then go up a level and look at those micro-groups as "individuals" then the lower rates mean that there is less chance of a spread between those groups. It isn't as simple as looking at the overall number and saying "no herd immunity".
Anyway, to summarise, I did not insinuate anything, I merely posited it as a possibility. That is what enquiring minds do. They consider more than the dogmatic, parroted press releases. Sometimes they end up coming back to agreeing. Sometimes they don't. But you seem to be suggesting that because I looked at other sources, that I am somehow less informed than you?
I am absolutely open to all opinions on this, but I won't simply accept what one scientist says as being the facts when there have already been different views on this...from other scientists! There is no consensus.
Well we now have data, you should look at it
Tracking Our COVID-19 Response - covidexitstrategy.org
Each state's progress towards a new normal
huh, maybe they don't want their employees catching it?
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Because it's an island with very few and tightly controlled entry points. Compare New Zealand to Alaska and Hawaii, which also had small infection rates. The same situation occurred with Japan and South Korea.