Now we see the real reason Apple went with glossy screens. They are cheaper. If they have to charge $50 for the anti-glare surface then you know it costs Apple maybe $25 more per screen.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Apple Again Offers Matte Display Option on 15" MacBook Pro
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Choice is good.
It's a pity it costs more for the anti-glare but at least the option is now there.
I thought you people would be pissed about the $50 lol. Look on the bright side, they just dropped their prices $100-$200!
So does this anti-glare option have the aluminum bezel?
I like the black bezel and glass myself. It is very sexy! Uh, i think it has MUCH more to do with the fact that now they have to produce separate parts in small quantity that aren't part of the mass produced normal option, and they want people to use the glossy. Had they made them all mass produced matte, and people whined for a glossy option, i promise it would be the same situation!
Wow, nicely done, Apple. That's what you call "appeasement."
Be cautious, though, Steve - surely you remember the Munich Lesson?
Be cautious, though, Steve - surely you remember the Munich Lesson?
Trouble finding a good display?
I have a 2008 machine with a matte display and all I can say it is a mixed bag of hurt. Sure it cuts down on glare a bit but then you have to deal with other issues. For one the matte screen has the look of a soft focus image and the colors are a bit muddy. On top of that the screen is harder to keep clean.
So maybe it has taken them awhile to come up with a better approach to a matte finish. Ideally they would use some sort of hard coated glass surface. It will be interesting to see if the new screen significantly improves image quality over the old matte screens.
In any event I find it funny that people claim matte screens are required for art and photography work. My experience seems to indicate the opposite.
Dave
I have a 2008 machine with a matte display and all I can say it is a mixed bag of hurt. Sure it cuts down on glare a bit but then you have to deal with other issues. For one the matte screen has the look of a soft focus image and the colors are a bit muddy. On top of that the screen is harder to keep clean.
So maybe it has taken them awhile to come up with a better approach to a matte finish. Ideally they would use some sort of hard coated glass surface. It will be interesting to see if the new screen significantly improves image quality over the old matte screens.
In any event I find it funny that people claim matte screens are required for art and photography work. My experience seems to indicate the opposite.
Dave
Yes it is like those cheap speaker that make the bass "boom". Some people like that. But could you imagine a recording enginer using speakers that exagerated the bass the mix soulnd in the studio? He want accurate sound, not an exagerated "thump thump" boom box sound.
Same here. Profesional woring in studios need to see color like it is without the exagerated color contrast. "make the colors ... more vibrant" is exactly what they don't want. What you need is "make the colors more like they are" for studio work.
The give Apple some credit they, I think< where reacting to the fact that Macs are becomming more mainstream and are moving out of the movie, photo and design studios and into consummer's . These new uses are not making digital content, they are just viewing content, (waching DVD, games and web pages) so if Macs now days are mostly just expensive media viewing machins in makes sense to outfit them with a scren that makes color "pop", just like those cheap speakers that make the bass boom.
If it's perfectly sized, it is. Don't fix what ain't broken!
Now back to my original point, I did say that let them implement the Resolution Independence first, then up the resolution. I would be perfectly fine with a gazillion megapixel display if I can adjust things look like they look now. I mean centimeters/inches, not pixels. If there are more pixels making up a square centimeter/inch, it is obviously crisper and better, but I do want to keep UI elements SIZED like they are now.
I agree as well, i don't understand the logic of something that used to be the standard, is removed and then brought back due to demand and the customer has to pay extra. I guess i will put that screen next to my mac remote and all my other "extra" connectors that are required.
you mean $2.50 right? this is apple after all
Matte making a comeback is a good news
But charging 45 euro for this is more like daylight robbery.
More and more it feels like apple is taking its customers for a ride
aren't anyone pissed off by this????????????
you mean $2.50 right? this is apple after all
Get over yourself. First off saying you "take pictures" puts you into the same category of people you're railing against. Secondly, shooting the occasional Wedding and in RAW do not make you PRO.
Sorry to get so off topic, thanks for the Matte screens back, Apple.
The problem with the Express Card slot is that only single digit percentage of MBP owners actually use the slot. That truely is a small percentage of MBP owners. I can accept the reasoning behind removing it from the MBPs. At the same time, for the less than ten percent of MBP users that do use the Express Card slot it's a potentially huge loss. With the elimination of the anti-glare display, Apple really affected a lot of potential buyers who wanted/needed anti-glare and wouldn't buy another MBP until it returned.
I can definitely understand that both the FireWire removal from MBs, and anti-glare displays from MBPs caused a huge backlash with complaints by people who claimed they would "never" buy another without the return of those options. In retrospect, Apple learned that it needs to do what its customers want and use real world analysis of use before removing features. It really makes sense, if Apple analyzed what card options/ports would be used. It made a seemingly informed/educated removal and replacement of the space.
I would imagine the Express Card slot is gone for good. Unfortunately the use doesn't support the return of the Express Card slot, and I doubt the public outcry will mimic that of either FireWire removal from MBs nor anti-glare option from 15" MBP. I definitely agree that for the small percentage of true professionals who use the Express Card slot the loss is potentially huge. The port can be used for many "professional" type needs. Unfortunately the real "professionals" are losing features because primarily consumers are buying MBPs.
Start a petition or go sign one if you want the Express Card slot returned.
Cost of manufacturing things do not correlate to what companies charge for them. Price reflects what people are willing to pay, not what it costs to make it. Should companies price products fairly, they would not be making such huge profits.
Business 101.
I'm a skeptic of big corporations...
They remove firewire on macbook so the eventual transition to the 13 MBPro w/ firewire goes on without much other change but is still well embraced.
They go all glassy on the notebook screens except for the 17inch. Buyers are obligated to buy 17 for much more if they want the matte opion despite only wanting a 15" MBP.
After profiteering on that approach for quite some time, they reintroduce the matte option to the 15 MBP. Again with lame upcharge but still better than nothing.
Yet you still have apologists/marketing team enter claiming that these decisions illustrate responsiveness and caring about the consumer. Ummm, seems like another vehicle for revenue to me. Call a spade a spade.
They remove firewire on macbook so the eventual transition to the 13 MBPro w/ firewire goes on without much other change but is still well embraced.
They go all glassy on the notebook screens except for the 17inch. Buyers are obligated to buy 17 for much more if they want the matte opion despite only wanting a 15" MBP.
After profiteering on that approach for quite some time, they reintroduce the matte option to the 15 MBP. Again with lame upcharge but still better than nothing.
Yet you still have apologists/marketing team enter claiming that these decisions illustrate responsiveness and caring about the consumer. Ummm, seems like another vehicle for revenue to me. Call a spade a spade.
It was free before though.
I've mentioned this before but Apple either makes something standard to add value and maintain their price points/margin or they drop it and charge you for it.
The Airport Extreme, Bluetooth, and SMS weren't standard at one time. On the flip side we pay for Apple Remotes and the formerly free matte option.
FireWire was left, called dead, and now is back.
Finally, one less topic to whine/moan/groan/complain/fight/argue about.
Still the same matte finish. The people that claim they are professionals or artists or whatever and need matte displays are fake. Matte displays were never ever made for that category of computer users. Matte was made so there was less glare, but you get a muddy picture. I don't see how a true professional prefers a muddy over clear picture. What's worse is that people believe matte = no glare. And that is simply not true. There's still glare, just reduced.
Still the same matte finish. The people that claim they are professionals or artists or whatever and need matte displays are fake. Matte displays were never ever made for that category of computer users. Matte was made so there was less glare, but you get a muddy picture. I don't see how a true professional prefers a muddy over clear picture. What's worse is that people believe matte = no glare. And that is simply not true. There's still glare, just reduced.
Wake me when "Apple again offers ExpressCard/34 on 15" MacBook Pro".
I'll sell you mine!
Nope not at all.
what is there to be pissed off about? The charge is extremely modest considering they have to special order and ship the device. Consider the cost of third party anti reflective material for a minute.
In any event this ought to cause manny people to pause and think honestly about the real value in a matte screen. Far to many people just jump on the bandwagon and don't consider the negatives of a matte display. At least this way people will hopefully evaluate the expense against their intended usage. This should cut down the I hate my matte screen postings alot as hopefully the displays will only end up going to people that really need them.
Dave
Matte making a comeback is a good news
But charging 45 euro for this is more like daylight robbery.
More and more it feels like apple is taking its customers for a ride
aren't anyone pissed off by this????????????
what is there to be pissed off about? The charge is extremely modest considering they have to special order and ship the device. Consider the cost of third party anti reflective material for a minute.
In any event this ought to cause manny people to pause and think honestly about the real value in a matte screen. Far to many people just jump on the bandwagon and don't consider the negatives of a matte display. At least this way people will hopefully evaluate the expense against their intended usage. This should cut down the I hate my matte screen postings alot as hopefully the displays will only end up going to people that really need them.
Dave
Or, let's face it: only STUPIDITY makes you pay more for it! Mercedes does not place those model stickers on factory, they are added by the import company. It should be free to opt not having the model markings, and if you can't get it free why not remove the markings yourself because it only takes a minute and leaves zero markings to a new paint.
(totally off-topic, of course...)
Your the one with the skewed assumptions. I was commenting on exactly the fragment I quoted. Namely the
That position is flawed as a motivation of what connotes good business for all of the reasons I outlined.
No that is pimp capitalism, not great capitalism. Long term, fewer and fewer customers will trade with a business that adds no value, but charges are high price. Especially if there is a free market for information. Businesses that are not viable long term are not examples of great capitalism.
Can people make money going from hustle to hustle? However, your deluded if you think that is what Adam Smith was talking about in Wealth of Nations or that is a viable basis for a large scale economic system.
With that fundamental premise Apple should use slave labor to build their devices. They could boost their profit margins by just no paying the workers ( or just paying minimally for their food/housing). Why should workers get paid if the sole goal is to make as much money as possible?
So if Apple built their products in slave labor factories how many folks you think would buy their stuff? I'm sure folks with your mindset would still buy from them. However, there are a significant number of other folks who would stop. That would mean lost revenue. That generally is not indicative of good business.
feeling ripped off and being ripped off are two different things.
If I walk into an Apple store and they charge me $1.00 to breathe the air, then I would both feel and have been ripped off.
I clearly denoted that there was and would likely be a debate as to how much profit margin is "fair" and how that differs between people. That is entirely different from selling free stuff as though you are providing a value to the customer.
Can anyone tell me if they have been using glossy display in fluorescent lit classrooms (lecture halls). I need a laptop for college and I just recently ordered a 15 inch macbook pro. I can still cancel and reorder right now for no cost other than 50 more for the matte so was wondering if someone with experience using them can chime in. I won't be using them beside a window or outdoors. Mainly in a windowless classroom with lots of overhead fluorescent lighting. I have used glossy so minor reflections doesn't bother me, but I do worry about reflection in a bright classroom with lots of fluorescent lights (although they won't be directly shining onto the screen).
Chill the eff off yourself. There is nothing "anti-Apple" about his response to "BRlawyer", whose rants are so detached from reality that even the hardcore Apple fanboys roll their eyes. Every time Apple farts, he praises them for yet another glorious victory and announces the imminent death of Microsoft. When Apple releases a matte screen option, Microsoft is dead. When they release a minor iPhone OS update, Microsoft dies again. I wonder what the next supposed death blow to Microsoft will be. Probably when Apple corrects some typo on their on their home page. I'm sure that'll crush the company with the 90% market share.
Wrong. Bother to read before embarrassing yourself. Online. You seem to nothing about LCD panels in general. LED backlights are behind the screen. What's in front of the screen (matte=suck or glossy) has nothing to do with LED backlights. LCD screens are made with the same exact materials as before. Only the backlighting and front coating has changed over the years. The new matte=suck screen construction is more or less the same as the pre-unibody MBP.
I used my MBP before at my college. There was a huge window/wall behind me and no reflections. Oh, and it was a really sunny/hot day too.
Attachments
Please be realistic, you're not paying for the screen, you're paying for the labor.