Apple Again Tops Holiday Sales With 44% of All New Mobile Device Activations

[Michael Scrip]

No 5 million per month for the S8 is not good. And really it should not be compared to the iPhone X which is much more expensive. The X is in its own class of smartphone. Just calling the flagship isn't enough. Better to call it something like a super flagship or a luxury flagship. The pixel, iPhone 8 and Galaxy S8 are all in the same class and their sales can justifiably be compared because their per unit price is about the same.

Of course.

But I didn't make the original claim... I just found some numbers.

There was a whole lotta arguing earlier in the thread... perhaps I put out those fires.

 

[coolfactor]

My 6S has 199 cycles, 93% battery health, it's throttled.

Throttled, or do you have some poorly-behaving apps sucking up CPU cycles? Please provide proof.

 

[ZipZilla]

Look at this data, my prediction of the failure of the X came true.

It's the notch, Apple. People don't want it. Also, too much change. They went from the Commodore 64 to the Amiga with nothing in between.

 

[ThisIsNotMe]

The world has spoken and Android is the Windows and iOS is the Mac. It'll always be that way. Apple isn't going anywhere but Android is always going to be the dominant force by far.

Couldn't be more incorrect.

Apple guides/forces the market as well as holds some insane marketshare on phones/tablets in households making +75k per year.

There is no 'market force' behind Android as it is splintered between manufacturers different flavors.

Factoring in microwaves, TVs, and brick phones sold in some 3rd world ****-hole is largely irrelevant as they do not drive consumer spending.

 

[coolfactor]

Yes I am fully aware. You wrote what you prefer, I wrote what I prefer in terms of how Apple handles battery aging.

Give me a darn message " Hey user your battery sucks now, so were gonna slow your phone down until you get a new one. Love Apple"

iOS does give that message in Settings > Battery. If you don’t see it, any slowness that you are experiencing is _not_ due to throttling.

 

[Miss_Mac]

Nice to see some older iPhone activations ( love ) in that poll.

 

[coolfactor]

Look at this data, my prediction of the failure of the X came true.

It's the notch, Apple. People don't want it. Also, too much change. They went from the Commodore 64 to the Amiga with nothing in between.

Pure subjective opinion. There’s been several reviews stating that the notch is a non-issue after using the device for a while.

I think a bigger blocker of sales is “good enough” devices at a lower price, including the equally-powerful iPhone 8.

 

[sinsin07]

snip... And really it should not be compared to the iPhone X which is much more expensive.

So what?
This metric for comparison was created by you to fit your narrative.

The X is in its own class of smartphone. Just calling the flagship isn't enough.

Well this would be an opinion held by you, as the mobile world at large groups the X, 8 Plus, Galaxy Note and other flagship phones in the same group.

Better to call it something like a super flagship or a luxury flagship. The pixel, iPhone 8 and Galaxy S8 are all in the same class and their sales can justifiably be compared because their per unit price is about the same.

You can reclassify it anyway you want as long as you realize that classification remains in your bubble.

 

[coolfactor]

Nice to see some older iPhone activations ( love ) in that poll.

I’m surprised the iPhone SE didn’t get more love. It’s a great, capable device. Love mine.

 

[B60boy]

Where is the copy cat Google Pixel 2 at?

 

[jaredhimself]

Can't help but notice again the way the numbers are presented look good for Apple. But in reality, it shows Android activations surpassed Apple if you look at the actual numbers. Does Apple know they can't just manipulate stats into becoming number 1?

Do you realize that this isn't Apple's article, chart, numbers or data?

 

[Miss_Mac]

I’m surprised the iPhone SE didn’t get more love. It’s a great, capable device. Love mine.

I look forward to seeing what comes next with the SE, if Apple updates it, I may downsize to the SE (especially if they return to the slate/black of the 5/5s - sweet color there.) I miss that one hand use. Glad to hear you love yours so much.

 

[Baymowe335]

If they sell 1,000,000 devices at 80% profit, they still do better than selling 10,000,000 devices at 10% profit. However, in their minds, those willing to buy their phones will never leave, so they think they are secure to just keep the course, but as we saw with other brands past (Palm, Blackberry, etc), that's absolutely not how consumer electronics work. And I think they're seeing that with iPhone X. I think they're becoming concerned now. Their growth has slowed. And when was the last time they came out with a hot new iPhone were you able to walk in and get any color\config 3 weeks after launch? And this was supposedly going to be an overly constrained model.

Samsung and Apple are both publicly traded so we can actually use facts. Apple makes more net income (profit) annually than Samsung. This includes Samsung’s entire company that sells chips, memory, appliances, etc.

The iPhone outsells Samsung premium smartphones (Galaxy S and Note) by a wide margin, otherwise Samsung would be more profitable.

 

[Archer1440]

I suppose Hitler had his inner circle too and those who questioned what he said were asked the same thing, like most cults or fanatical groups.

Literally, i'm laughing out loud. Godwin's Law strikes again.

Meanwhile:

https://www.phonearena.com/news/Goo...ctivations-this-past-holiday-weekend_id101088

 

[TallManNY]

Of course.

But I didn't make the original claim... I just found some numbers.

There was a whole lotta arguing earlier in the thread... perhaps I put out those fires.

Thanks. They were helpful context.
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So what?
This metric for comparison was created by you to fit your narrative.

Well this would be an opinion held by you, as the mobile world at large groups the X, 8 Plus, Galaxy Note and other flagship phones in the same group.

You can reclassify it anyway you want as long as you realize that classification remains in your bubble.

I'd say mobile world at large is comparing these as a default option because they don't have the creativity to understand that Apple did something different with the release of the X. Apple took the chance that there was a major market of smartphone users who were willing to a lot for Apple's best phone. In any case, the whole unit by unit comparison of devices sold at radically different price points is a bit silly. The concept made sense when folks thought that it meant that developers were going to largely just develop for the OS that had the most unit sales. But now that the reverse is happening (developers are targeting iOS first), then it kind of becomes moot if Android has more units sold.

And it also doesn't make sense to compare iPhone X sales (which is competing with iPhone 8 and is selling for a significantly higher price) to iPhone 7 or 6/6s sales on a unit by unit basis.

I'd say it makes more sense to compare sales in price tiers. Since X is the first in its tier, there is nothing to compare it to. Though you could stretch a bit and compare it to Galaxy Note as that is pretty close in price. But form factor size makes that comparison problematic as well.

 

[deanthedev]

The world has spoken and Android is the Windows and iOS is the Mac. It'll always be that way. Apple isn't going anywhere but Android is always going to be the dominant force by far.

In what world does the Mac:

- Have a wider selection of software than Windows?
- Makes more money for developers than Windows?
- Dominates in enterprise/corporate use over Windows?
- Has far superior aftermarket/accessory support than Windows/PCs?
- Is used for 80% of all online purchases/transactions vs Windows?

Shall I go on?

Android doesn’t dominate anything, except for huge sales of $50 throwaway phones that do absolutely nothing to help the Android ecosystem, other than to allow them to claim greater market share.

 

[Rogifan]

It was sarcasm , cause Apple only compares products and not Os.... as you stated, they choose the numbers they win on....

What? When is the last time Apple ever compared stats to another single manufacturer (like Samsung)? I can’t remember. No they don’t talk about iOS market share % because it’s rather meaningless to them. When anyone can put out a phone running a version of Android of course it’s going to have a greater % of market share. That’s the definition of a meaningless stat.

 

[nburwell]

I’m surprised the iPhone SE didn’t get more love. It’s a great, capable device. Love mine.

I was quite surprised to see there were more 6/6s activations than 8/8+.

 

[0958400]

Schiller: We should innovate.
Tim: Why? The numbers are wonderful! Look at this Excel-Sheet. This is outstanding and I couldn't be prouder.
Schiller: Have you looked at complaints? They rose too.
Tim: But look at those numbers! Look at those numbers!
Schiller: Yeah, look at mine, for a change. Because your numbers are the past. Mine are the future losses.

 

[sinsin07]

Thanks. They were helpful context.
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I'd say mobile world at large is comparing these as a default option because they don't have the creativity to understand that Apple did something different with the release of the X. Apple took the chance that there was a major market of smartphone users who were willing to a lot for Apple's best phone. In any case, the whole unit by unit comparison of devices sold at radically different price points is a bit silly. The concept made sense when folks thought that it meant that developers were going to largely just develop for the OS that had the most unit sales. But now that the reverse is happening (developers are targeting iOS first), then it kind of becomes moot if Android has more units sold.

And it also doesn't make sense to compare iPhone X sales (which is competing with iPhone 8 and is selling for a significantly higher price) to iPhone 7 or 6/6s sales on a unit by unit basis.

I'd say it makes more sense to compare sales in price tiers. Since X is the first in its tier, there is nothing to compare it to. Though you could stretch a bit and compare it to Galaxy Note as that is pretty close in price. But form factor size makes that comparison problematic as well.

That's cool, but you're making up your own reality, which is fine if contained in you're own post.
It can't be used successfully to argue a point as in post 119 as your definitions and comparisons are not recognized as the norm.

 

[thekeyring]

In what world does the Mac:

- Have a wider selection of software than Windows?
- Makes more money for developers than Windows?
- Dominates in enterprise/corporate use over Windows?
- Has far superior aftermarket/accessory support than Windows/PCs?
- Is used for 80% of all online purchases/transactions vs Windows?

Shall I go on?

Android doesn’t dominate anything, except for huge sales of $50 throwaway phones that do absolutely nothing to help the Android ecosystem, other than to allow them to claim greater market share.

I agree. This is a problem with looking at marketshare.

There are 6 of us who share an office. Only one phone was upgraded this year - the one user who is a regular Samsung customer. So, our office has a 100% Android/Samsung marketshare, despite 5 of us having iPhones and intending to buy an iPhone as our next phone.
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Schiller: We should innovate.
Tim: Why? The numbers are wonderful! Look at this Excel-Sheet. This is outstanding and I couldn't be prouder.
Schiller: Have you looked at complaints? They rose too.
Tim: But look at those numbers! Look at those numbers!
Schiller: Yeah, look at mine, for a change. Because your numbers are the past. Mine are the future losses.

What would you consider innovative if AirPods, AR Kit, Face ID, etc don't make the cut?

If Apple cured cancer, I think people here would respond with "So what? I know so-and-so who had their cancer cured by a hospital 10 years ago".

 

[TallManNY]

That's cool, but you're making up your own reality, which is fine if contained in you're own post.
It can't be used successfully to argue a point as in post 119 as your definitions and comparisons are not recognized as the norm.

Fair enough. But I can speculate about the future.

Do you think other smartphone manufacturers will make a "normal sized" but $1,149 or thereabouts smartphone? I suspect not. If they don't, do they just conceded to Apple the "money is no object" market? That is a big and lucrative market.

 

[thekeyring]

Yep, this is typical Apple marketing spew (yeah I know it's a third party, but you can easily look at the way the data is presented and see who the bias is toward). If you look at actual sales, Android OS devices outsell Apple something like 19 to 1. It's not even a competition anymore like it was 5 years ago. LOL. The world has spoken and Android is the Windows and iOS is the Mac. It'll always be that way. Apple isn't going anywhere but Android is always going to be the dominant force by far.
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Did I say anything to the contrary? It's the only way Apple can present data that doesn't make them look like a total nothingburger these days. Why do you think whenever Apple talks about Mac marketshare they compare to makers not OS... when in reality people buying PCs are buying windows computers, not for the brand of hardward. Mac vs PC Windows and iOS vs Android are the only comparisons that matter anymore. To compare based on anything else is just silly and trying to twist the numbers to support a position that's just not there.

You make a good point about Windows PCs. However, I truly think people are buying smartphones based on brand. The friends I have who buy Samsung phones do so because they are made by Samsung. I asked a friend who was upgrading his Sony phone if he'd consider a Samsung, and he looked surprised in a negative way - "No, I'd never get one of those! I'm sticking with Sony."

 

[justperry]

That stinks. I would bring it to Apple to see what they say. I don't doubt the accuracy of your statement, but clearly not ever 6s is affected. Must be a bad battery or something.

Apple won't replace it, battery is 93%, it's not too bad though, min. Freq. was about 1.5 GHz and it runs well, except that the battery runs down fast but that's probably due to the iOS 11.2.5b OS.

Throttled, or do you have some poorly-behaving apps sucking up CPU cycles? Please provide proof.

I just charged my battery, I will see tomorrow if the battery level is much lower, will take a screenshot.

 

[MH01]

What? When is the last time Apple ever compared stats to another single manufacturer (like Samsung)? I can’t remember. No they don’t talk about iOS market share % because it’s rather meaningless to them. When anyone can put out a phone running a version of Android of course it’s going to have a greater % of market share. That’s the definition of a meaningless stat.

You are correct , Apple does not do comparisons vrs single manufacturers