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Apple Again Trails Market in Smartphone Growth, but Closes on Nokia in Overall Mobile Phones

BaldiMac said:
Nope. Apple shipped 43.7M iPhones, Samsng was estimated to have "SHIPPED" 85M Smartphones. Still not accurate, but an apples to apples comparison.
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Apple always reports units SOLD, not shipped. I thought this was a pretty well known fact in the industry?
 
proline said:
These reports have been able to suppress this story the last few years by continually moving more and more phones into the 'smartphone' category to make said category grow faster than Apple to make Apple look bad. This includes many Android devices with no data plans. However, within the next year they will run out of dumb phones to reclassify as smartphones and Apple's true growth will become impossible to hide. I'll make some popcorn...
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What? An smartphone is an smartphone. Are you aware that a lot of the devices you call "dumbphones" are more capables as smartphones than the original iPhone?
 
69Mustang said:
Not sure if serious. Why would any of these marketing and research firms want Apple to look bad? What do they gain by "suppressing the story"?
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Because their job is to support their clients. :confused:

Strategy Analytics: "We support our clients with a variety of high-stakes projects, including: new product development and product roadmaps; driving existing products down the cost curve; bundled pricing strategies; infrastructure investment and optimization; new market penetration and market expansion; influencing consumer behavior and buying preferences, and many more short- and long-term initiatives."

Emphasis mine.
 
bobringer said:
Apple always reports units SOLD, not shipped. I thought this was a pretty well known fact in the industry?
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Apple reports units shipped. The only units sold they report are the ones sold through the Apple Stores or the online Apple Store.

What the report also is the channel inventory
 
Radio said:
When you need to compare apple to Nokia you know macrumors is reaching for some positive.

You don't need to spin the news macrumors just report the bigger headline

Apple is doomed
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If macrumors or anyone else doesn't go out of their way to kiss Apples but they get blacklisted.
 
Oletros said:
What? An smartphone is an smartphone. Are you aware that a lot of the devices you call "dumbphones" are more capables as smartphones than the original iPhone?
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And a Kia and Lamborghini both get you from Point A to Point B.

Should we lament Lamborghini's market share numbers being so low compared to Kia?
 
BaldiMac said:
Because their job is to support their clients. :confused:

Strategy Analytics: "We support our clients with a variety of high-stakes projects, including: new product development and product roadmaps; driving existing products down the cost curve; bundled pricing strategies; infrastructure investment and optimization; new market penetration and market expansion; influencing consumer behavior and buying preferences, and many more short- and long-term initiatives."

Emphasis mine.
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You need to pull your head out of Apples butt
 
bobringer said:
Apple always reports units SOLD, not shipped. I thought this was a pretty well known fact in the industry?
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Nope, Apple always reports shipped. However, they do report channel inventory, so the number sold is easily calculated.
 
Oletros said:
Apple reports units shipped. The only units sold they report are the ones sold through the Apple Stores or the online Apple Store.

What the report also is the channel inventory
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And what is the percentage of phones Apple sells directly (online or retail)? This is non an immaterial number... which means that what Apple counts as sold is very different than what Samsung counts as shipped. Not Apples/Apples.

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Oletros said:
You're joking, don't you?
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So... you're argument is...

"A smartphone is a smartphone"

but

"A car is not a car"

Got it...
 
bobringer said:
And what is the percentage of phones Apple sells directly (online or retail)? This is non an immaterial number... which means that what Apple counts as sold is very different than what Samsung counts as shipped. Not Apples/Apples.

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So... you're argument is...

"A smartphone is a smartphone"

but

"A car is not a car"

Got it...
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Definitively, you're joking, have a good day.
 
bobringer said:
And Honda sells more cars than Audi.

The point here is?

(I'll tell you what the point is... the industry needs to stop treating this as one giant monolithic market. It doesn't work that way in other industries... why does it work that way in the phone business)?

Apple's profits in the phone business are rising. Samsung's profits in the phone business got CUT IN HALF over the past year.

Yet the problem is... Apple's market share?
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The iPhone is the Honda and Toyota of smartphones.
 
bobringer said:
So... people report market share by segment in secret? And that negates my point?

99% of the analysis I've seen reports market share for the total market. SPECIFICALLY THE ANALYSIS AND CORRESPONDING ARTICLE I WAS RESPONDING TO.

So... if you can show me how widespread these analyses are distributed that breakdown market by segment... I'd love to see it.
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It's not done in secret. It's behind a paywall. These reports are generated simply to get companies to subscribe to their (IDC) services. If they gave all the information up front, why would anyone subscribe?

As for your request, I will happily oblige. Wall Street Journal provides the type of report you want. It's broken down by manufacturer and segment. It's also free. http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html
 
Mattsasa said:
Aren't the majority of smartphones Samsung is selling the galaxy series, which is just as expensive, if not more expensive then iPhone.

So samsung shipped twice as many smartphones as apple, meaning Samsung made like double revenue as apple ?
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Galaxy Phones are the lesser version of the iPhone.
 
bobringer said:
And what is the percentage of phones Apple sells directly (online or retail)? This is non an immaterial number... which means that what Apple counts as sold is very different than what Samsung counts as shipped. Not Apples/Apples.
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Oletros said:
Definitively, you're joking, have a good day.
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Bob is having one of those days. Step up to the plate, swing, miss. To his credit, he keeps swinging.;)
 
69Mustang said:
It's not done in secret. It's behind a paywall. These reports are generated simply to get companies to subscribe to their (IDC) services. If they gave all the information up front, why would anyone subscribe?

As for your request, I will happily oblige. Wall Street Journal provides the type of report you want. It's broken down by manufacturer and segment. It's also free. http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html
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Thanks for posting a link to CAR SALES BROKEN DOWN BY SEGMENT.

Sigh... this was exactly my point. Car sales are broken down by segment. Phone sales are not.

So... you're pretty much proving my point here.

(and no, I'm not interested in comparing WHAT GETS REPORTED IN THE MEDIA EVERY SINGLE FREAKING DAY -- to a report hidden behind a paywall. As you have proven, analyses of the car industry broken down by segment aren't hidden behind a paywall)
 
trailing samsung in market growth

No surprise here. Apple takes its good old time in introducing anything new. By the time they do, its old news because another company already has it out for a year. Time for some major changes at Apple.:rolleyes:
 
69Mustang said:
Bob is having one of those days. Step up to the plate, swing, miss. To his credit, he keeps swinging.;)
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Dude...

My argument was that phone sales are not broken down by segment... but car sales are.

You posted a link to car sales broken down by segment and somehow... this disproves my point about phone sales?


And I'm the one that's clueless today?
 
Radio said:
When you need to compare apple to Nokia you know macrumors is reaching for some positive.

You don't need to spin the news macrumors just report the bigger headline

Apple is doomed
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When you compare Apple and Nokia total phone sales, and Apple is getting close, with Apple selling nothing but high-end phones and Nokia being the king of the cheap phone, then you know that Apple is doing something very right, and Nokia is doing something very wrong, and that for several years.
 
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