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Apple Again Trails Market in Smartphone Growth, but Closes on Nokia in Overall Mobile Phones
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"Shipped equal sold"
So your saying my dictionary is wrong? don't answer that. The point is Samsung said they sold or shipped 89 mil. and don't believe them because i think is just another lie, in case u have been living under a rock Samsung is really popular in cheating, lying, copying and even worst than that
I think the big takeaway is that the major determinant of smartphone marketshare is price. In 2-3 years the biggest vendors will be the Huawei, Lenovo, OnePlus, Xiaomi, MicroMax, Karbonn of the world. These vendors are all growing at breakneck pace and they have a lot of untapped growth in their home markets. They sell phones at half the price of Apple, Samsung, LG, Motorola so to most consumers its an obvious choice. Google does the software development for them and they can easily source parts from local vendors so cost of operations can be kept razor thin. If I were setting up a tech company today I wouldn't be stupid enough to set it up in the US or waste money on R&D. Wait for Google, Apple or some startup to come up with a good idea/UI/service/design, see if it catches on, then replicate it for the local market. Its a time tested strategy that works.
If you are discussing "getting you from Point A to Point B", I'd be betting on the Kia, especially of Point A and Point B are not close together.
Bob is having one of those days. Step up to the plate, swing, miss. To his credit, he keeps swinging.
Also interesting... is the fact that you're agreeing with Oletros that I'm clueless.
You do realize that he is arguing that phone sales SHOULD NOT be broken down by market segment. Which seems to contradict everything else you're saying.
So... which is it? Should phone sales be broken down by segment or not? Should an $800 be considered in the same market as a $39 phone?
We should stop. We've gone so far from your original quote I don't think there's a way back. Suffice it say, unless you buy it, you're not getting the analysis of the phone market you want. Neither IDC nor any of the other firms are going to give it to you for free. They consider their market intelligence to be a product for sale. Love the use of capslock, btw.
It mostly doesn't make much difference. The only times where it makes a difference is with unproven and failing products (where a company might ship a lot and then get tons of returns), and if companies try to show off what they did in the first days after a release, where a company might get huge numbers by _shipping_ three months worth of sales to their dealers in the first three days. (As proven by Samsung, that's not even necessary; you can just lie about your sales as proven in court).
From all the accounts I have read the Galaxy S4 {while below market expectations} outsold the S3 and S5 has already supposedly outsold both S4 and 5s launch figures.
Link: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...s4-sales-despite-hitting-40-million-milestone
Link: http://www.dailytech.com/Samsung+Se...First+Profit+Drop+in+2+Years/article34196.htm
Link: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...-day-sales-double-those-of-samsungs-galaxy-s4
Link: http://www.deccanchronicle.com/1404...alaxy-s5-sales-overtake-apple-iphone-5s-stats
That said the Galaxy S model {of the current year} will never {IMO} quite catch up to the iphone flagship of that year except maybe for the quarter it launches in.
On Apple site says SOLD!!!! not shipped, where did u get that info? from a Samsung fanboyism site?
I get my info from Apple, as well as my accounting knowledge. Unfortunately, words can have different meanings in different contexts. Shipped and sold can be used to mean the same thing.
The problem is that breaking the phone market into "smart phones" and "non-smart phones" has been continuously shifting the segment. It's fine to count the number of Ferraris in the "over $100,000 market" just as it's fine to count the number of Ferraris in the "all cars at whatever price market" if you want to judge whether Ferrari is doing better than last year or not. But if you changed the definition of "expensive cars" from "over $200,000" to "over $100,000" to "over $50,000" to "over $20,000" then it would look like Ferrari is massively losing market share, when the reason is just your moving market definition.
That's happening when you look at "smart phone" numbers. Apple's share of "phones over $600" has been growing, and Apple's share of "all phones" has been growing year after year after year.
Samsung doesn't report shipped or sold. What we see are estimates. IDC estimates the number of smartphones that are shipped. Gartner estimates the number that are sold to end users.
Good info... with one caveat. Just selling "more" isn't much of an indication of success in a market that was growing as rapidly as the smartphone industry was two years ago.
My wife's cheap Nokia phone broke, and she's finding it hard to get a replacement.
Because their job is to support their clients.
Strategy Analytics: "We support our clients with a variety of high-stakes projects, including: new product development and product roadmaps; driving existing products down the cost curve; bundled pricing strategies; infrastructure investment and optimization; new market penetration and market expansion; influencing consumer behavior and buying preferences, and many more short- and long-term initiatives."
Emphasis mine.
Even if this report was from Strategy Analytics, which it's not (IDC), that still doesn't give credence to making Apple look bad or suppressing some supposed story. Influencing consumer behavior and buying preferences doesn't support the assertion of malfeasance leveled by proline.
Agreed was just pointing out that the S4 while below expectations but was still {as far as I know} the fastest selling android handset in history.
And I am sure that the S5 will soon take that crown {despite how mediocre an upgrade it is}
I never suggested this. I suggested exactly what you suggest... and break it down by price point.
No my comment was about your sold vs shipped mistake. That myth has been thoroughly debunked.
And my comment was that cheap smartphones are not dumb phones, I don't know what the OP reads
Just think where Apple would be if they listened to customers 3-4 years ago.
Once the bigger phone hits these numbers will look much better.
Same for touch screen computers. Not everyone uses or likes touch but it is a check box that people look for. The current Apple line up looks so far behind without it.
Once the bigger phone hits these numbers will look much better.
Same for touch screen computers. Not everyone uses or likes touch but it is a check box that people look for. The current Apple line up looks so far behind without it.
Besides, it's not like it is Apple that is raising to Nokia level. It's Nokia free falling to Apple levels. Not much of an achievement.
Phone makers are unlike car makers in every way since their top of the line phones are all the same price.
Really? Why do people want to touch their computer screen? Personally, of all the things I wish Apple would incorporate in their laptops touch screen never occurred to me. Taking my hands off the keyboard would just slow me down.
Maybe the S5 will catch up by units. But I've seen a ton of specials for it in the US at launch. I think free on contract and also buy one get one free deals. Judging by that they won't make as much money.
A good friend of mine has downgraded to the S2. He actually likes it quite a bit. And he had the S3, but the battery life was terrible on it. Literally just a few hours of use killed it.
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Agreed. Lots of folks in my office have touch screen. I did recently, for the first time, see someone use it to zoom into floor plan diagram. It was awkward, but it was used. We've had touch screens for over a year. They are a waste of time.
Why would they rest? The employees are being paid well to work. Why would they rest? Are the Samsung employees getting tired?