Dude - you're mixing up the numbers for US sales with the analysts' conclusion regarding WW shipments... Maths is one thing. Understanding a text another
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Apple Again Trails U.S. PC Market in Key Back-to-School Quarter as Tablets Continue to Eat Into PC Sales
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Dude - you're mixing up the numbers for US sales with the analysts' conclusion regarding WW shipments... Maths is one thing. Understanding a text another
True...thanks to the internet...the internet and the browser technology (which is why Microsoft basically stopped/slowed development of Internet Explorer) has replaced the Operating System and thick client apps. Think of the days not so long ago:
-we would check out email on our thick client app like MS Outlook or Netscape or whatever...now it's all online...whether it is Outlook or Gmail or your ISP's account.
-we would write/create things locally such as with MS Office or Photoshop or similar...now we can use Google Docs or other similar items and use sites like Shutterfly to do easy/fast photo edits and sharing.
-we pay our bills online
-we check the weather online (remember the thick client apps?)
-we read the paper/news online
-we play games online
-we can video chat with browsers instead of thick apps
So much stuff is online that yes, the PERSONAL COMPUTER brand is not a factor...it's all about the browser. However, personal computers are much better for longer typing, more accurate with the mouse, and support so many other technologies rather than a closed tablet like iPad.
The only thick client stuff I use on my various computers is for:
-music creation
-iTunes
-video conversions
-heavy MS Office and web recording/screenshotting for documentation
-FTP
-Printing
With student discount the the 13" mbp, for example, is 200$ cheaper than list price.
Computer is going to be like a truck.
Yup. Computers drive through thick mud better than tablets.
Wait. Do you think college students use their computer to "write some papers from time to time"? Are you sure you didn't mean to say that they use their computer constantly throughout every day? Isn't your computer taken with you to every class to take notes, then to the library and finally back to your room to be worked on (and goofed off on) for hours at a time? Wouldn't you want the best for your most important possession?
If you are using a device for six to ten hours a day (probably typical for a college student) then it seems totally worth it to get a very nice machine, even if that means taking out another $700 in student loans.
Who cares, PC is doomed. Not kidding on this one. And it is not Apple's main source of sales/income/profit anymore. It will (only) always be the market for "real / old fans". PC business is Apple's new hobby! More like for innovative projects. They will only make updates if necessary. Or a change that will disrupt that business.
Sales of computers, when compared to this quarter last year, are up 600k in the US.
Your point benig? I was referring to Apple's decline. Sorry I didn't make it more obvious.
Your point benig? I was referring to Apple's decline. Sorry I didn't make it more obvious.
I just get so used to the whole PC is doomed argument that is being thrown around by fans of tablets that it gets hard to distinguish.
Exactly.
Have you tried driving an iPad through mud?
I did once. Ended up having to get a Dell to tow me out of the creek.
Ouch.
Dells are pretty dependable these days.
I wouldn't even try to drive my Surface through the mud.
New Macbook Air at WWDC
If you consider nearly doubling the battery life of the Macbook Airs, their most budget level laptops, back in June not an update . . .
If you equalize the builds as much as possible, there's very little jump between cMBP and rMBP. If Apple had updated either or both of those models when they updated the MBAs, then the sales numbers might tell a different story. I doubt Apple is pushing very many customers to PCs.
Apple "put all their resources into lacquered machined polished polycarbonate" because that is what pays the bills for the rest of their products. Yes, be glad they put their resources into it.
If you consider nearly doubling the battery life of the Macbook Airs, their most budget level laptops, back in June not an update . . .
If you equalize the builds as much as possible, there's very little jump between cMBP and rMBP. If Apple had updated either or both of those models when they updated the MBAs, then the sales numbers might tell a different story. I doubt Apple is pushing very many customers to PCs.
Apple "put all their resources into lacquered machined polished polycarbonate" because that is what pays the bills for the rest of their products. Yes, be glad they put their resources into it.
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Your point benig? I was referring to Apple's decline. Sorry I didn't make it more obvious.
Without looking at the actual stats, his point probably was, Apple's decline was not that bad (when compared to it's historical performances dating back from the beginning) or as expected vs. in general, it was disastrous the last time that the 600k increase is still so bad / almost negligible / did nothing.
Yup. I always thought of a Surface as more of a dune buggy.
You win all threads forever, sir.
Those numbers you posted (and in the chart) are for U.S. sales. The 8% decline is for worldwide sales.
Read this part again and note the print under the chart:
Gartner's Preliminary U.S. PC Vendor Unit Shipment Estimates for 3Q13 (Thousands of Units)
According to Gartner's numbers, the U.S. market held up significantly better than the global market, actually registering a 3.5% increase in shipments led by fourth-place Lenovo's 24.6% gain.
Folks, let's wait for the actual earnings call.
Last year MacRumors reported that IDC and Gartner predicted opposite guesses on Apple's Mac Sales.
Last year IDC said sales had fallen 7.5% year over year, while Gartner said they had increased 7.4% year over year.
What actually happened? Sales fell by 1.3% (they were essentially flat).
Personally, I don't put much stock in these analyst reports.
Last year MacRumors reported that IDC and Gartner predicted opposite guesses on Apple's Mac Sales.
Last year IDC said sales had fallen 7.5% year over year, while Gartner said they had increased 7.4% year over year.
What actually happened? Sales fell by 1.3% (they were essentially flat).
Personally, I don't put much stock in these analyst reports.
I guess I'm just old-fashioned - I think of a computer as being a stand-alone machine, with the Internet being a somewhat useful addition.
Agreed.
My RT is the coolest dune buggy I have ever had, though.
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Pffft.
You want a computer that is useful without the internet? Move away from the 8-tracks, gramps.
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"Apple Again Trails U.S. PC Market in Key Back-to-School Quarter as Tablets Continue to Eat Into PC Sales"
This title is not pro-
. It must have been written by an Android user!!
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This title is not pro-
. It must have been written by an Android user!! /s
If you REALLY think the average college student (in the USA) is actively using a laptop in the classroom for note taking every day, you are sorely mistaken. 90% of college students can't even type correctly...printing with a pencil is faster. Not to mention all the noise 30+ students would make typing....or all the "oh! my battery died/the OS just went into sleep mode and my notes may be wiped!!!" scenarios.
For us people who actually know how to type (I can type easily over 100 words per min and have been since 1986), yes, I can type far faster than hand printing. But I am still a big minority compared to all the peers (even computer folks) that I've worked with in the past 20 years out of college.
Students may bring their laptop to some classes, but please don't believe the commercials/advertising that they are actively using them for notetaking and such.