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Apple doesn't have a laptop in the budget of COLLEGE STUDENTS, either. Every Mac BEGINS at $999 (for the paltry 11" screen and 128GB drive). Realistically a user would want the $1200 Mac laptop but sure, let's continue talking about the $999 one. Unless they are a Mac user, he/she THEN ALSO HAS all the other reasons of not buying an expensive new Mac to learn to use.

Students can get very nice PC laptops for $750. There's almost no reason for the average student (or above average) to plunk down $1000 (or more) on a PC laptop for college to write papers, create presentations, check email, and do class participation stuff on a collaboration website. I wouldn't steer college students to $500 laptops, but yes, some do buy them because of their budget and/or their realization that they just need something to write some papers from time to time.

MacBooks are actually really popular on my campus. These students would sell their arm for one.
 
Sad... IMO it has to do with the delay of the latest laptops. Not just that but the competition is actually creating really great products for Windows. Things like high resolution screens, latest tech, and good designs.

In top of that, some buyers want some kind of upgradability in their laptops. Preventing the customer from upgrading Ram and HDD/SSD is a mistake IMO. I'm sure Apple could find a way to provide upgradability without affecting the laptop design much.

Hope that Apple has made some nice changes in their Retina laptops.

Ask yourself dude would your grandparents be trippin' over everything you mentioned? Most likely not. Everything you mentioned are geeks and techie's needs, not the general consumer. Windows machines have never won the hearts of millions purely because of having the latest technology, they've won the hearts of many because they are subsidized and outrageously crazy marketing on home shopping networks.
 
Wish Apple did a more up to date budget mac. Where I work we have 20 laptops and for the peice of one Mac you can get 4-5 HP laptops.

But will those 4-5 HP laptops last you a very good 4-5 years? I doubt it.
 
I logged in to post the same comment....most vendors (except Apple) fudge their numbers by counting sales "into the channel" - in other words not really sold. Thus, Microsoft could quote those huge shipment numbers and then took a $900M write-off because most of their RT's got shipped back.

But the difference is Apple has not historically posted huge sales losses unlike MS. ;)
 
Game over Apple in the PC world :apple: You have neglected the Mac and their major buyers--schools and the graphic industry for too long. No developer is going to want to develop applications for it.

Now you are you are reliant on iToys, which is becoming more of a commodity everyday.

You also messed up Final Cut and ignored Logic. What's left?


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Reasons for this

Most students don't have 1k to drop on a laptop.
Most students don't need anymore than the very minimum (ram, hdd, cpu) so they can get away with a cheap 300-400 laptop that will do everything they need.
The world works with Microsoft (while students could use apple programs that fill the need of office its just easier to use what all their classrooms use).

Unless you are hipster/rich/special needs for a mac then mac laptop doesn't make sense sorry.


Well we all now know where your heart is. Next question is why are you here on this forum talking down about Apple's Macbooks and insulting the very customers here that buy and use them? Same time you're supporting Microsoft. There's a name for your antics but I'll get timed-out for saying it. ;)
 
Well we all now know where your heart is. Next question is why are you here on this forum talking down about Apple's Macbooks and insulting the very customers here that buy and use them? Same time you're supporting Microsoft. There's a name for your antics but I'll get timed-out for saying it. ;)

I have nothing but macs (2012 iMac 27 inch & MacBook air) and am an independent developer specifically for iOS as my full time job. I am a recent grad and have insight into what students have and why.

I am not trying to hate I am just stating the facts this is what I saw in college and briefly in high school...
 
It is interesting to realize, if tablets are taking over from PCs, just how little the average consumer actually does with a laptop/desktop.

The majority of consumers do very little with their desktops. iPads provide more than enough CPU power and providing an appliance type package makes it real attractive for Joe Six pack.

Joe Six pack whats his computing just like microwave popcorn. and Apple delivers on that front.
 
Macs don't either though. That meme of "Macs last longer" is simply not true.

I beg to differ... my mac mini is my media machine and never gets turned off. I have had it for 7 years so far, the worst thing about it is it can't do HD movies, that will change when I swop out the CPU. It's a workhorse.

My laptop is bruised n battered beyond repair, but still functions, still turns on. and I use it every week for sounds in live music scenarios.

In that same amount of time, both my sisters have owned multiple laptops. (The younger had 3 laptops in fact, the elder of the 2 gave up on laptops n got an Alienware desktop, because, surprise surprise, she has an iPhone 3GS, n iPad 2)

The old adagé comes to mind-"you get what you pay for"

I compare it to a 200 quid keyboard, which sure, has sounds and makes noise, got speakers and can play toons, but its plastic, will fall apart eventually and break up n disintegrate quite quickly. That and the 1 grands worth of music making workstation which I have in my bedroom, which you can literally make an entire album on (including vocals, and guitars) and will last 15-20 years before faltering.

:apple:
 
Exactly.

Have you tried driving an iPad through mud? :p

Have you every tried driving a fully loaded semi through mud?
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Me neither but I know bogged when I see it.

Anyway, speaking of Truck/Cars.
Do these numbers include or exclude servers?
 
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1. Have a lower value : price ratio
2. Rarely update specs
3. Sell outdated hardware at same price, worsening #1
4. Use yellow LG screens to pad your margins
5. Low base specs with insane markups for RAM and SSD upgrades
6. Can't upgrade RAM or SSD without paying Apple premium

Sorry, it's not the iPad's fault.
 
I really don't see what iPads have to do with this.

If a company doesn't make their OSX line a priority... then nobody will buy it. It's really that simple.

and what do you think they are prioritizing? iPads and iPhones.

Didn't Jobs predict this a while ago? fewer people are buying PCs in general, not just Apple's.

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So, total PC sales:

3Q 2012 - 15582
3Q 2013 - 16121

and "Research firms Gartner and IDC today released their preliminary calculations of PC shipments for the third quarter of 2013, finding that worldwide shipments fell by roughly 8% over the year-ago quarter"

Apparently they taught me the wrong math at school.

go read the actual article. Two charts, the one in this article is for US and the headline refers to worldwide.
 
and what do you think they are prioritizing? iPads and iPhones.

Didn't Jobs predict this a while ago? fewer people are buying PCs in general, not just Apple's.

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go read the actual article. Two charts, the one in this article is for US and the headline refers to worldwide.

Or it could be a comparison between a mature market and one that is not matured yet.
 
There is no point in arguing. The data shows that apple is not selling as much as they should. The windows market is doing much better. Wait until the yoga 2 and vaio flip come out at the end of the month, windows will do even better. I was going to get the macbook air but now I will have to pick the yoga 2 or the vaio flip. Apple macbooks can't compete with the new convertible touchscreen windows laptops now. I hate to say it but thats the truth.
 
Me thinks that these "analists" have to go back to school. For me 16,121 is not 8% less than 15,582.

Otherwise they'll have to explain better how they arrive that the 8% since the figures in the charts makes no sense. Wafflers!

That's 16,121 shipments in the US; but Worldwide shipments were down 8%. In other words, the US PC market had a decent quarter - partly because it had such a lousy year in 2012, that the year-on-year comparisons are easy (US PC market declined double-digits last year). But this year, other markets are suffering - especially emerging markets, even China, where a) the economy has slowed down and b) those year-on-year comparisons are tough, after strong growth in 2012 (opposite phenomenon to the US).
 
I'm in med school now. Most of my classmates have MBP's. My MBP 15" is my lifeline. I don't have a TV so I watch all my TV shows and Movies on it. I use it a lot for school related work (watching recorded lectures, researching pubmed articles, Powerpoint lectures). It is well worth the "premium" price in terms of piece of mind and quality. Actually, its not really a premium when you consider the almost free OS upgrades and time saved in avoiding viri and spyware, plus the ability to see a real person at the Genius Bar for tech support as opposed to getting the runaround from some call center working in India. I plan to use it well into residency.

As for college kids, I don't understand why anyone would be cheap on the most vital piece of equipment they'll use for the next 4 years. Tuition at any US News top 25 school is north of $50k a year. Does it really make a difference whether you buy a $1500 MBP or cheap junk PC for $750? I wonder if the average student realizes how much of a better computing experience they will enjoy for the next four years for spending that extra $750 (no viruses and spyware practically speaking, almost free OS upgrades compared to Microjunk's $150+ each time, etc.). When you're willing to spend $200k in tuition, it seems rather shortsighted to skimp on your laptop. Plus, Macs have great re-sale values. You'll probably be able to sell that $1500 MBP for $750 4 years later.

Oh well, I know I'm preaching to the choir but hopefully someone on the fence will read this be influenced.
 
Apple Again Trails U.S. PC Market in Key Back-to-School Quarter as Tablets Continue t

How about "Apple Again Trails U.S. PC Market in Key Back-to-School Quarter as well-optioned, user-configurable, high-performance Windows PCs continue to Eat into Apple's share of PC Sales."
 
The drop was due to them not updating their laptops...

I know I was willing to buy a rMBP back in June but yet they're still not here. :mad:

I was willing to give Apple $2000+ for a rMBP had they been updated in June, but now I'm just going to get the new iPad
 
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