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wow is this true? - not a great thing to wear trying to sneak around at night if you ever have to raise your arm.

I'd imagine you could turn that off, making the screen only turn on with a button press or something. Though that would also negate some of the convenience of just being able to glance at your watch with one hand.
 
Probably for most of the complains would be around the fact most battery-less non-smart watches don't *need* to be taken off.... It's a choice.. You just shake ya wrist and time keeps ticking...

The idea we need to take a smart watch off.... sounds strange....... It's just moving to technology.... we gotta get used to that.
 
This is a watch?

I have had my current watch for 5 years and not changed the battery. Bought 3 new bands in that time though. Why would I want something like this? Carry my iPhone everywhere anyway.

All I need a watch for is knowing when to come in off the porch and stop yelling "Get off my yard, you kids".
 
I was just recently on a european trip. My flight from Amsterdam to Copenhagen got cancelled. My phone battery died. I was stuck in the airport then running around amsterdam for an additional day with no hotel or home to plug anything in. My watch though, kept me going with the time. I never had to think about it. thats the purpose of a good quality watch. that and fashion.
The 'apparently' 80% of the population who don't wear watches anymore would be screwed in that situation as well. There is some déja-vu here, before the advent of smartphones, cellphones would easily last a week. Yet smartphones largely won out over feature phones. One can argue that the additional utility of a smartwatch is much diminished by the existence of smartphones but the utility of smartphones was/is also somewhat reduced by the presence of laptops.

Given the increase in smartphone screen size, I think the utility gap between smartwatches and smartphones is there to stay (as the utility gap between smartphones and laptops for a lot of tasks is still there). There are screen size and input method limitations that will always be there between smartwatches, smartphones and laptops.
 
Probably for most of the complains would be around the fact most battery-less non-smart watches don't *need* to be taken off.... It's a choice.. You just shake ya wrist and time keeps ticking...

The idea we need to take a smart watch off.... sounds strange....... It's just moving to technology.... we gotta get used to that.

I always take off my watch during the night (I also take off my shoes :D). Just to say that the taking off part is not the big problem, it's the need to worry about charging.
 
II've worked in development for over 15 years, there is no 75% what you aim for. Also Q&A does not come last, it's part of the process from the start, they define your acceptance criteria.

you start with the wires and all the features you need/desire on a strict deadline, and you meet 100% of them? sounds impossibly admirable.

every single team i've worked with makes compromises and shortcuts. unless they're a startup with no deadlines and no time-sensitive expectations. the design team and development are in a constant dance and no one hits perfect form when depending on multiple participants, who make their own human errors or find issues where none were expected.

and Q&A of the final product is a different beast than testing in fragments/ increments. maybe we work in fairly different industries.
 
What time is it please ?
- Uh... sorry, I forgot to reload my battery last night.

You just highlighted that asking somebody else what time it is, is a completely normal way to do and most people don't mind answering.

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There are NO SOURCES, NO PROOF for this, and all of this is BS.

As there are for most rumours, a large part of them turn out to be correct nevertheless.
 
19 hours is not exceptional. At all. And the time it takes to charge is irrelevant if you're not in a place you can charge it.

Unlike your phone, it will require its own dock to charge. That means if you're stuck in an airport for 20 hours, your watch isn't getting charged. it means that this product is going to be a non-starter for many people who know they are frequently away from home base for more than a day.

The same does apply for other smartwatches too who have the same < 1 day battery life.

I was just recently on a european trip. My flight from Amsterdam to Copenhagen got cancelled. My phone battery died. I was stuck in the airport then running around amsterdam for an additional day with no hotel or home to plug anything in. My watch though, kept me going with the time. I never had to think about it. thats the purpose of a good quality watch. that and fashion.

neither the Apple watch is going to hit. This is going to put it into the same category as every other 1 day smart watch maker. Your average geek will wear it. but thats about it.

It doesn't require a dock to charge, just a cable. It's similar to what you have for your iPhone, except it's a Magsafe.
 
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So you cannot leave the watch face on all the time without running down the battery? It almost sounds like the early days of digital watches where you had to push a button to see what time it is!

I think I will pass on this one - at least the 1st generation.

Hannes
 
There are NO SOURCES, NO PROOF for this, and all of this is BS.

Well Tim Cook did say you'd wind up charging it at least once a day - and frankly 19 hours is a lot better than I would have expected after he said that.

Still wish they could get a day and a half or two days out of it. They have a different purpose, but given the choice a Pebble Steel would probably suit me better.
 
19 hours is plenty to make it through the day. Wake up at 7 am, 19 hours would put you at 10 pm. By that time you're likely winding down during the work week anyhow.



People need to stop thinking of the watch like a smartphone. I doubt people will look at their watch for more than an hour or two throughout the day. It's not like using a phone for 6-7 hours.



The watch is for quick glances, no prolonged use. Seems like a reasonable start.


And that's the reason why watches with battery life measured in decades will still be around.

There are times when I am out for days on end without access to a power outlet. Like when I go back to my army unit for reservist and am out in the field for 3-4 days at a time. Or when I am on a camping trip with my pupils. Sure, one can argue that these are edge cases, but I find it irritating that I may have to switch back to an old G shock watch just for this.

I feel the pebble watch nailed it with its 7 days of battery life, though admitably, it achieves this by not doing very much itself.
 
So you cannot leave the watch face on all the time without running down the battery? It almost sounds like the early days of digital watches where you had to push a button to see what time it is!

I think I will pass on this one - at least the 1st generation.

Hannes

If 1st generation is a bomb....there will be no 2nd generation.
 
the 4 hours was if you "force the thing to stay awake and drive the display how long would it stay up" kind of test. You will not, I hope, walk around with the wrist up staring at the time nonstop :)

Don't be so sure. That's what people are doing with their phones today. Have you visited a mall or any other crowded place lately, observing how people behave? Or are you one of them, to busy with your phone to see the others?
 
Gaming....please! Your going for an extreme to justify poor performace.

4 hours of STRAIGHT excessive use is crap. You make it sound like people will use it now and than. There are lots of heavy users that will get lots of constant alerts, these users will fall into the category closer got the 3 hour mark.

Though back to my point, 4 hours max for fitness tracking is a joke! This thing is made for the geeks that attend a gym, not people who are into adventure sports or anything related to endurance such as cycling, or even a two hour walk etc.

Now back to the geeks who visit the gym, imagine someone really into their fitness, goes to the gym in the morning for 2 hours, that's 50% of their battery gone before they start their working day. That is not acceptable. Even if they go at the end of the day, it will die in the gym. So back to having to charge it multiple times a day. And when apple say 19 hours, you believe that is what you will get??

Is it clear that the 4 hours active use applies to fitness tracking. Irrespective of if you are in the gym or just walking around the fitness tracking should be the same. I would expect that the steps/heart rate are constantly monitored - only when you directly interact with the watch should this be considered usage. Otherwise simply wearing the watch for four hours would deplete the battery.
 
no one is going to buy a watch that can't even last 3 hours. The samsung watch is better. I really want to buy the apple watch!
 
So you cannot leave the watch face on all the time without running down the battery? It almost sounds like the early days of digital watches where you had to push a button to see what time it is!

I think I will pass on this one - at least the 1st generation.

Hannes
Except it has an accelerometer that turns the watch face on when you turn it. So basically, nothing like that at all.

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Wait I thought nobody wore watches anymore.

Right? First the complaint was that nobody wears watches, and now everyone's bragging about the superiority of their analog watch.
 
"aiming for 2.5 to 4 hours of active application use with 19 hours of active/passive use"

Yeah.. uhm... no thank you.

Of course people will buy it, it's cool and nice looking jewelery too, since it's Apple. And you can always pretend knowing the time, even if it doesn't have any battery left. ;)
 
I think I got it...

One way Apple improves battery life is like how they do on their Mac's down.

They dim the display allot sooner. Which really irritates me even now on battery power. You just cannot set how long before the display should dim. And it its not bright, how can u see it ?

And if Apple is talking 19 hours (approx) here, then that must also mean less bright, much short display on time and 1 second u don't touch it dims... No thanks...

Maybe not 1.. but if it dims every 5 seconds on not touching that would still get to me.

You know Apple have it up their sleeves...
 
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And that's the reason why watches with battery life measured in decades will still be around.

There are times when I am out for days on end without access to a power outlet. Like when I go back to my army unit for reservist and am out in the field for 3-4 days at a time. Or when I am on a camping trip with my pupils. Sure, one can argue that these are edge cases, but I find it irritating that I may have to switch back to an old G shock watch just for this.

So when camping/army do switch back from a smartphone to a feature phone?

I feel the pebble watch nailed it with its 7 days of battery life, though admitably, it achieves this by not doing very much itself.

I think you have nailed it - the pebble achieves a 7 day battery life by not doing much.
 
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