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the electric car will be hugely software based...very few parts...some repairs are software upgrades...its nothing like a gasoline car...this is all new tech.

Also they much safer then a gasoline car and if in time there driven by a computer well there be less crashes for sure.

Electric cars have roughly the same (or more) parts as does a gas powered one, and way more software to boot (which is really just more "parts"). And gasoline engines are extremely safe. Most of the fires are rather rare and usually start with the electronics. Also the battery in an electric car (while I think is mostly safe too) carries a charge that will mess you up. Potential energy is still potential energy and dangerous.
 
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didn't read all pages in here so if someone already came up with these then we have the same humour.

threads on MR in 2020:

- updated to iCar 1.1, battery life is garbage :(
- bricked my iCar while trying to restore it! can't get to work/school tomorrow :mad:

- Apple announces the iCar 2.0 with a thin aluminium frame. 85% thinner than before
- a pinecone fell on my iCar and dented the hood. genius bar won't cover the damage.

only thing I would add is we will have a million threads complain about "dent-gate". with most users demanding pictures or blaming it's user's fault for letting the pinecone fall on the car.
 
it's funny how a couple of weeks ago there was nothing, and now we have articles about apple possibly working on an electric car, project names, possibility of acquiring tesla, etc... suddenly everyone knows everything.
 
Apple is hoping to begin production on the car project that it is secretly developing as early as 2020, reports

This seems like such a bizarre idea. One of my cars is 17 years old and has over 170,000 miles on it, and I have no trouble buying parts for it. Is Apple going to support its cars for 17 years?
 
I don't think Apple should get into the car business. What happened to focus on a few good products? What is Apple going to start making everything under the sun like Samsung does?
 

LOL. I was not expecting the political angle in that skit.

UGGGGG. I am NOT looking forward to 5 years of rumors with no product announcement. I'm already getting tired of them.

No different than the iPhone. Over 5 years of rumors and even when we have product announcements. Seriously -- right after a new model has just come out people already start putting out rumors about what will be in the next model even when it's almost a year away.
 
Software and Computer Improvement Avoidance.

Over Musk's dead body!

File Under: Apple's Software and Computer Improvement Avoidance.

Apple would be better off just giving Tesla a billion dollars for robo-factories and battery technology advancements.

They probably need fewer "designers" and "managers" and more engineers. Especially chemical engineers. I know a guy from aerospace.

I don't know what's going on at Apple, but the next thing you know, some VP there is going to run for Mayor of Portland.

Get back to work. :confused:
 
Dumbest Idea

I am a long time Apple user, MBPr and iP6 and iPad Air 2, among many other devices during my time using apple products but, I am not gonna read 11 pages of comments, but does anyone seriously believe Apple is planning a car? Among the many issues with that project, dealerships being a big one, test drives and overall reliability and maintenance issues being the others. Many Apple stores are in malls or locations that adding a car is well useless. This is way way way dumber than the rumors Apple TV set. I will happily admit I am wrong, but I doubt I am. Apple is not planning a car, from the photos leaked out, odds are they are planning a street view like feature for Apple maps. If you legit think that Apple is looking at building an electric car in the next 5 years, please get your head checked, you may have a tumor or psychosis.
 
Hopeful?

Maybe they should set their sights on just getting iOS8 to work first? Then maybe iMessage. Yea, maybe they can have iMessage work by 2020.

Yea, not sure I want the Apple Car. But, I bet a million people will. Market to the masses, live with the classes. Market to the classes live amongst the masses.

But, I bet Enzo had a nice place. I'm sure he wasn't a multi-billionaire though.
 
Maybe they should set their sights on just getting iOS8 to work first? Then maybe iMessage. Yea, maybe they can have iMessage work by 2020.

Yea, not sure I want the Apple Car. But, I bet a million people will. Market to the masses, live with the classes. Market to the classes live amongst the masses.

But, I bet Enzo had a nice place. I'm sure he wasn't a multi-billionaire though.

Yes, it's like the apple car guy takes care of the sparking plug, the fuel gauge and iOS-whatever version.

Great post, bud. I hope you're not using windows, android, linux or any other stupid mass attraction crap thing.
 
What's the problem with EVs now? They don't have a great range, they're expensive and there is no real EV charging station infrastructure. That doesn't sound like a market Apple would jump into right now. It sounds like a market that Apple would explore with R&D for about 5 years until the technology catches up with the vision. They've done it for every single product they've ever made so a car is no different.

Range really isn't that important unless you're on a long distance drive. You come home and plug it in at night. But your points are well taken. The charging infrastructure is still lacking, but I'm amazed by how many EV charging stations I see in Northern CA and NV. And Tesla is being pretty aggressive with their Superchargers. I think Tesla is close to the tipping point. A few more years and their battery factory will be online in Reno and they will have an extensive network of charging stations.

I find the Apple Car rumors a bit absurd on some level, but then I think why not? Considering all of these people being hired, one must assume it's more than just R&D. Why would someone leave a job at Tesla, who is actually making cars, to work for Apple dilly-dallying in research? It sounds like they are serious about whatever they are doing. Still, at this point, it seems a stretch. They've never designed or built anything as mechanically complex as a car. And I can't wrap my mind around the huge issue of service. Will we bring our cars to the Genius Bar? Will Apple now be equipping Apple Stores with service bays and hiring mechanics? Even an EV needs maintenance and repairs.

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This seems like such a bizarre idea. One of my cars is 17 years old and has over 170,000 miles on it, and I have no trouble buying parts for it. Is Apple going to support its cars for 17 years?

This is the biggest issue in my mind too. Service. But one could probably say the same thing about Tesla and they've been selling cars for a few years now. Will they still be supporting them in 17 years? Who knows. Leap of faith.
 
I hope this doesn't crash as often as my MBP2011 with "spinning wheel of death", "drive failure" or "boot issues"...:)

Have you tried replacing your hard drive cable? I also strongly recommend swapping your current disk with a SSD. Those things did the trick for me :)

On topic again:

Excited about Apple's car plans, but as someone else pointed out, I don't known if I'll survive 5 years of rumours..
 
I wish apple were a computer company again, also I would not mind these projects if they updated thier computers on a regular basis.
 
Electric cars have roughly the same (or more) parts as does a gas powered one, and way more software to boot (which is really just more "parts").

If you count the whole car, that may be true, but only because electric cars tend to be higher-end models with lots of bells and whistles.

If you mean the drive train, though, an electric drive train is orders of magnitude simpler than a gasoline drive train. There are no valves, no pistons, no camshaft, no timing chain, no injectors, no distributor, no spark plugs, no oxygen sensors, no knock sensors, no catalytic converter, no oil pump, no EGR valve, no gas tank pressurization test system, no fuel pump, no fuel filter, no water pump, no radiator, no transmission, no starter motor.... The amount of emissions control parts alone are enough to boggle the mind.

With an EV, you replace all of those common points of failure with a simple electric motor (i.e. a winding, brushes, a magnet, and a shaft, give or take), plus some motor-control electronics, plus a charge controller for the batteries, plus a giant pile of batteries and wiring. As complexity goes, electric drive trains are just a lot more straightforward.


And gasoline engines are extremely safe. Most of the fires are rather rare and usually start with the electronics. Also the battery in an electric car (while I think is mostly safe too) carries a charge that will mess you up. Potential energy is still potential energy and dangerous.

Fuel system leaks and other combustible fluids spraying on a hot engine are the most common cause of vehicle fires. Electrical malfunctions, at last check, caused less than half as many fires as mechanical failures did.

Yes, potential energy is still dangerous, but your odds of fire are much greater when you produce locomotion by detonating volatile gases at high temperatures and pressure. :)

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Range really isn't that important unless you're on a long distance drive. You come home and plug it in at night.

You can safely assume that the capacity will degrade over time, so having extra range now is a good hedge against premature obsolescence.
 
As a parent of a beautiful special needs girl I truly hope that some day soon my girl can get in her car and just tell it where she wants to go without the need to drive it by herself (she couldn´t). Mom and Dad won´t always be there to take her wherever she needs to go. :(

I´m sure some companies will eventually offer this self driven cars, and I would love Apple to be one of those companies.

Go for it Apple! Self Driven cars!

I can wait 5 years.

There already are cars you can just get in and 'tell it where to go'. They're called taxis.
 
a bold move, and could be Apples big fall - which Im sure they know. I guess every company of apples size wants to grow until they fall into the ditch. But, if apple aim on doing all sorts of stuff which is completely out of their boundaries and comfort zone I predict things could go very bad. Particularly with a car. ............though cars need some innovation like tesla does.
 
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