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I don't see where you presented a case in which a minority made a law to rule over a majority.

If courts strike down a popular vote because it was unconstitutional, the minority doesn't get to "rule" over a majority. It was simply prevented that a majority rules over a minority in an unconstitutional way.

This is how all proper democracies work.

I apologize. I looked over my posts and you are right I didn't make the case. So my case is as such. Lets assume that the majority votes on something and the courts overrule this vote. In this case the minority way is the ruling way.

If the courts decision is constitutionally correct then we are where we should be according to the constitution. If it is not constitutionally correct then we are where we shouldn't be according to the constitution. Regardless of the side we land on in respect to the constitution due to the courts we are still following the minority view as supported by the courts (because the majority voted the other way in the first place). Right or wrong we are still following the minority rule because the courts say we have to and not because the majority voted for it.
 
No.

They (opponents) simply do not equate it to marriage between a woman and a man.

They (the majority of the opponents) want it to be differentiated not banned.

Seriously.

Apple has now been on both sides of this debate depending on the sexual orientation of the CEO.

"Differentiated" is basically the same thing as "separate but equal" (when we had different services such as schools for whites and blacks, but they were "equal").
 
Of course it's about civil rights. What some gay rights organizations do has absolutely nothing to do with it. That's like saying it's not a civil rights issue if someone wanted to ban religion because of the reaction of churches. It's a ridiculous argument.

It seems that your opposition of gay marriage has very little to do with actual gay marriage, but of some of those who want it. And that's simply petty.

You're missing my point. I only oppose (a little) government recognition of gay marriage because gay rights organizations have that as their goal, and gay rights organizations try to force their beliefs on others. If anyone famous says anything even remotely considered "homophobic" (extremely inaccurate term), they get sued.

Same goes for scientology. Other churches do not do this. As much as religion-haters like to think, the Christian, Jewish, etc groups do not try to force religion on others (except for the terrorists).

Otherwise, I would not care what the government does. Personally, I think the best thing to do is leave it alone and not recognize any marriage and instead focus on issues that are actually important. The church and state are supposed to be separate. And anyway, I only care a little bit. If you asked me yes or no, I'd just choose no rather than yes.
 
"Differentiated" is basically the same thing as "separate but equal" (when we had different services such as schools for whites and blacks, but they were "equal").

Rocketman probably sees nothing wrong with have separate schools for whites and "n*****" as he likes to call them. You're arguing with a troglodyte. I wouldn't bother.
 
This isn't about civil rights. I don't care at all whether or not gay marriage is considered marriage by the government. What I do care about is the right of any person to express his beliefs without getting punished. Gay rights organizations do try to be the thought police.

For example, the Chick Fil-A owner was asked for his stance on gay marriage. He gave it, and now the gay rights organizations are trying to hurt his business. Death to them for doing something like that.

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It just means "black" in Latin. I do find it annoying that it's banned.

Well, now we know you're an equal opportunity bigot. I'm always amused at religious people who are my idea of what the devil would be like (if I believed in all that silliness.) One of the reasons I stopped being religious was the rampant hypocrisy. Guess that's why you have to go to church all the time. The priest tells you the same things over and over again but it just doesn't stick.
 
There is only one God, and I have a feeling He is going to reveal this to all very soon.

Well, if he is up there, it would actually be considerate of him if he came down and cleared things up.

The last time he "talked" to anyone was a few thousand years ago to some guy alone on a mountain who saw a bush on fire.
 
That will be hard to do given that Jesus didn't write the Bible.

And what's funny is that this also applies to the quotes from other parts of scripture saying being gay is a sin: Jesus didn't write those other verses either!

"...and that you love your neighbor as yourself." That quote from Jesus is all I need to hear to know to that my gay friend has a right to marry just like I do.
 
Well, now we know you're an equal opportunity bigot

Woa, where did that come from? All I say is that people should not be prosecuted for expressing their opinions, and you call me a bigot? Well, glad I made you so angry for whatever reason :D
 
Wait are you saying homosexuals should be tolerant of those who would view them as second class citizens? Or that they should tolerate oppression from the majority because thats what the majority believes? Black people didnt tolerate it why should anyone else? You should clarify that statement because you left it wide open for interpretation.

Yes, but not outright bigotry. Some folks are just not going to agree with homosexuals, just like some folks are just not going to like people of another race or from another country. They have their reasons.

It's their beliefs which they have a right to just as much as I have mine.

The hard part, and the part we are all fighting, is making sure their beliefs don't press upon others that don't share the same ideals.

Someone can not like black folk all day long so long as they don't support gentrification.

And it may surprise you, but most of the people I know are atheists, don't like gays, and voted for gay marriage.
 
You're missing my point. I only oppose (a little) government recognition of gay marriage because gay rights organizations have that as their goal, and gay rights organizations try to force their beliefs on others. If anyone famous says anything even remotely considered "homophobic" (extremely inaccurate term), they get sued.

Same goes for scientology. Other churches do not do this.

Otherwise, I would not care what the government does. Personally, I think the best thing to do is leave it alone and not recognize any marriage and instead focus on issues that are actually important. And anyway, I only care a little bit. If you asked me yes or no, I'd just choose no.

I don't think I'm missing your point. I think opposing gay marriage because of the reasons you outline above has nothing to do with actual gay marriage. Would you vote against rights for black people because people get metaphorically lynched if they say something perceived as racist? Do you think that people should be able to say racist things without backlash?
 
Yep. Imagine if Romney called his opponent that. It's a banned term.

No. It is not a banned term. Romney would have lost the election if he had used that term because of public opinion, not because the term is "banned" in any legal way.

Can you honestly not see the difference? He has the right to call Obama whatever he wants, but he doesn't have the right to be president. You have the right to be a bigot if you want, but you shouldn't have the right to deny others their rights. It's so simple, but somehow it's just not getting through...hmm.
 
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For example, the Chick Fil-A owner was asked for his stance on gay marriage. He gave it, and now the gay rights organizations are trying to hurt his business. Death to them for doing something like that.

Gay right organizations are boycotting Chick-Fil-A. This means they are refusing to buy Chick-Fil-A products. Do you feel they should be forced to buy Chick-Fil-A products? Obviously, no one is stopping you or anyone else from buying them if you so choose. Buy you seem to feel people should be forced to do business with them, and should face death for not doing so.

I don't know what kind of world you would like this to be, in which people are executed for not buying chicken sandwiches.
 
Woa, where did that come from? All I say is that people should not be prosecuted for expressing their opinions, and you call me a bigot? I'm guessing you're part of one of those gay rights organizations now, either that or just really bad at reading.

I'm just a straight woman with a lot of gay friends and acquaintances. Most of them in committed relationships that have lasted a lot longer than most straight people, btw. People who aren't bigots aren't inclined to pine away about the loss of a racial slur (or any kind of slur). So it follows that someone who does is probably a bigot. Do you wish you could freely use fa**ot, too?
 
I don't think I'm missing your point. I think opposing gay marriage because of the reasons you outline above has nothing to do with actual gay marriage. Would you vote against rights for black people because people get metaphorically lynched if they say something perceived as racist? Do you think that people should be able to say racist things without backlash?

I think people should be able to say racist things without legal punishment as long as it is not actually harmful slander. Sure I'd totally disagree with a Nazi and call him retarded, worthless, and ignorant, but why should anyone be prosecuted for just choosing their own beliefs?
 
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