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Apple and Android Gain Smartphone Marketshare at Expense of RIM and Microsoft
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I dont play Xbox games (anymore), PS3 is how i roll nowadays (=D). (If they get a decent 720 out there that doesn't sound like an airplane I'm probably buying it though). And yes, I'm hoping for Nokia to surprise me in a positive way the upcoming month. I'm expecting +3 devices to be shown at CES. Why? Nokia have yet to actually show a new phone. Both 710 and 800 are recycled designs, meaning Nokia would've been doing absolutely nothing if they can't come up with +3 new phones after 12-15 months. Personally, I'm expecting 1-2 6xx devices (for Tango), 1-2 700-800 devices (plus an American remake of the 800, and more colors), and the 9xx device (hopefully being a larger, more properly designed and feature rich "800"). Expecting 9xx to be shipped end of Q1 2012. If they **** up on that, i'll just cave and buy an iPhone or something.
I'm not sure this is accurate for a few reasons. Again, I'm good friends with someone who just chose the Windows 7 platform so I know a lot about why he did it.
They (married couple) had iPhone 3G phones they bought after the iPhone 3GS came out to save money. They were waiting on the iPhone 5 and iOS 5 to make a decision. After it came out, they drove themselves crazy trying to decide which phone to get between the available iPhones. Android was, for them, 100% off the table due to the unique advantages of the platform, being open and android market being rather large, was completely overshadowed by the toxic user base and rampant piracy of android apps (he's a game developer). After a false start buying a poorly made Windows Phone with a crappy camera, they went back to their 3G phones. They didn't feel the cheap 3GS was different enough from their 3G phones, and they couldn't find one anyway. After numerous attempts on my part to suggest the now cheaper iPhone 4 the black friday deal came up and they were able to afford better Windows 7 phones, the HTC Titan. Already being a .NET developer and XBox Live Games fan, he feels the bare marketplace is a great place to get started in moving to mobile with the least amount of new code to learn. Plus, no one bothers him about his Smartphone choice. Most people just want to see his phone since they are so rare. He likes this a lot of course, she is just happy to have a phone with a camera that doesn't suck. The only jokes he gets are from me, when I ask him how those tablets are working out for him, since they are HUGE phones.
As an emotional decision, these guys are non-conformists through and through. To me, the iPhone 4 was the obvious choice on their budget, but it was just too mainstream, same for Android. They joked that they were the 1% when they saw some market statistics on Mac Rumors.
So, there you go. Not some imaginary customer that I made up, real people that feel they got a good phone, at a great deal, and don't have to live with the drama of Apple vs. Android.
source? (its not that it would surprise me, i'm just tired of people throwing imaginations out as facts).
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I agree with all that BUT I do think Microsoft will find an opening in the next five years. Google is torn between their current android model and their likely future of vertical integration with Motorola. Google will try to juggle both but either google or their partners will pull the plug in android at some point. Google Motorola simply will create too many conflicts to stand and google is trying to find ways to make money outside their core search business. This is why I think they will risk that business in the mobile space to try and follow an apple model. Buying Motorola just for patents would have been a horrible move for google so there is more there.
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I agree with all that BUT I do think Microsoft will find an opening in the next five years. Google is torn between their current android model and their likely future of vertical integration with Motorola. Google will try to juggle both but either google or their partners will pull the plug in android at some point. Google Motorola simply will create too many conflicts to stand and google is trying to find ways to make money outside their core search business. This is why I think they will risk that business in the mobile space to try and follow an apple model. Buying Motorola just for patents would have been a horrible move for google so there is more there.
Well, the Samsung Galaxy S II sold 44 million. iPhone 4 sold 28 million.
Now the iPhone 4 is a year old, the Galaxy S II isn't even a year old and outsold the iPhone 4.
We can't compare it to the iPhone 4S since it's been recently released and I highly doubt it sold more than 44 million worldwide.
I'm not sure this is accurate for a few reasons. Again, I'm good friends with someone who just chose the Windows 7 platform so I know a lot about why he did it.
They (married couple) had iPhone 3G phones they bought after the iPhone 3GS came out to save money. They were waiting on the iPhone 5 and iOS 5 to make a decision. After it came out, they drove themselves crazy trying to decide which phone to get between the available iPhones. Android was, for them, 100% off the table due to the unique advantages of the platform, being open and android market being rather large, was completely overshadowed by the toxic user base and rampant piracy of android apps (he's a game developer). After a false start buying a poorly made Windows Phone with a crappy camera, they went back to their 3G phones. They didn't feel the cheap 3GS was different enough from their 3G phones, and they couldn't find one anyway. After numerous attempts on my part to suggest the now cheaper iPhone 4 the black friday deal came up and they were able to afford better Windows 7 phones, the HTC Titan. Already being a .NET developer and XBox Live Games fan, he feels the bare marketplace is a great place to get started in moving to mobile with the least amount of new code to learn. Plus, no one bothers him about his Smartphone choice. Most people just want to see his phone since they are so rare. He likes this a lot of course, she is just happy to have a phone with a camera that doesn't suck. The only jokes he gets are from me, when I ask him how those tablets are working out for him, since they are HUGE phones.
As an emotional decision, these guys are non-conformists through and through. To me, the iPhone 4 was the obvious choice on their budget, but it was just too mainstream, same for Android. They joked that they were the 1% when they saw some market statistics on Mac Rumors.
So, there you go. Not some imaginary customer that I made up, real people that feel they got a good phone, at a great deal, and don't have to live with the drama of Apple vs. Android.
This could prove to be a huge catalyst if WP eventually manages to pick up speed. I actually know of big corp. dev's who are making business apps on their free time for the simple reasons of a) liking the platform and b) already being familiar with the dev. environment, making it painless. Wouldn't be surprised if MSFT will need yet another re-start though, and they're surely catering for it with W8's WinRT model. That said, if MSFT doesn't hold a substantial part of the market (mobile, tablet, pc... with share in ascending order) by 2015-2016 i'll do like Bart and eat my shorts. :- )
Before i get jumped by the Apple-heads: No, i don't think they will do so very much at the expense of Apple. Like stated elsewhere Apple will maintain a healthy share. It won't be as large as it is today, but thats to be expected as the market becomes both saturated and commoditized.
The stats were for only the states and Nokia haven't released WM7 there yet. If they did I'm sure the percentage would be a bit higher. I don't like Microsoft but by all accounts wm7 is fresh and is liked a lot amongst users ( GUI wise ).
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In a competitive marketplace it shows consumers choose affordable quality. Also a company that makes money can spend money. Being able to swap out a phone in five minutes at an apple store and getting multiple major software updates for your device are the things high profits bring to consumers.
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Sounds like the company should just hire people who are less likely to lose a phone.
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In a competitive marketplace it shows consumers choose affordable quality. Also a company that makes money can spend money. Being able to swap out a phone in five minutes at an apple store and getting multiple major software updates for your device are the things high profits bring to consumers.
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Sounds like the company should just hire people who are less likely to lose a phone.
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Based on my knowledge of such endeavors in the past, i see close to zero likelihood of Google opting for a vertical strategy. The only way i see it happening at all would be if Google pulled people out of their own ranks, started a JV with Moto only targeting the high end, and then used that effort to fuel Android with innovation. But even that is highly unlikely, as the high-end is where the massive profits are and the other OEMs probably wouldn't like such a move. At this point, all it really takes for Android to lose is for other OEMs to push WP instead of Android*, and if Android is going to play second fiddle in Googles operation theres really no reason why they shouldn't jump ship.
* another option would be to make a fork themselves, but given their lack of software capabilities and the huge risk of doing so i don't see that as likely either.
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Better not scout for talent at Apple then ; )
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I don't think most people know that most phones earn commissions and spiffs for the salesperson. Android phones are regularly incentivized while iPhones are not. In light that most retail outlets are trying to get people to buy android devices over iPhones because it makes them a bigger paycheck, the iPhone sales are that much more impressive.
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I don't think most people know that most phones earn commissions and spiffs for the salesperson. Android phones are regularly incentivized while iPhones are not. In light that most retail outlets are trying to get people to buy android devices over iPhones because it makes them a bigger paycheck, the iPhone sales are that much more impressive.
We sure are are quoting a lot. I think there's so much money being made on Smartphones, there's plenty of room for Microsoft. There has to be a possible double digit percentage of Android users who couldn't care less about Android and just HATE Apple. Microsoft can totally give those people another choice. Microsoft can be a big stuffy alternative to RIM too.
Apple's approval rating is 97%, you can bet their customer retention looks very similar to that number. But the rest of the Smartphone market, to me, is still the wild wild west thanks to Android fragmentation. Sure, there's the Samsung Jesus II, EVO 4G, and Nexus that are more polished. RIM or Microsoft / Nokia, if they can just deliver a phone that really knocks it out of the park on the whole package of price / performance, I think they can start to eat into the wishy-washy members of Android's lead.
I agree, If RIM dies, then Windows Phone will grow. Nokia pretty much replaced Symbian with Windows Phone now, meaning Nokia will mainly make Windows Phones, which will get a lot of sales seeing that Nokia is the top selling phone manufacturer.
Shocked to see the iphone 4S not destroy the competition with big numbers in that time frame. I thought they could not keep them on the shelves quick enough. Must have been all those Amazon 1 cent Android deals in mid November. And now Apple has to fend off the competition for another 8 to 10 months with only one true model while ice cream sandwich superphones make there way onto the market. The Samsung Nexus was only the beginning to Android battle plan.
Seriously? This is the worst comment I've read all thread.
The company employs 150,000 worldwide on every continent. If 10% of those people are given a phone, that's 15,000 phones. 365 days in a year, that's 5,475,000 man days to lose a phone. If you assume the average person loses a cell phone only once every TWENTY YEARS, that's 750 phones lost PER YEAR in the company, two per day. All with corporate email, presentations, phone numbers, etc.
RIM sells IT on Blackberry as the most secure phone to lose worldwide: it's a done deal. Don't even talk your preferred device.
I wouldn't trust that site. Look at the domain....
Edit: Turns out the iPhone 4 sales are close to 40 million or 70 million.
iPhone 3GS and 4 are at least upper midrange and high end devices.
This is somewhere in the low end:
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_me_p350-3735.php
And this is today's mid range:
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_net-4043.php
3GS has a cortex A8 core, it's a different world. It would fit in the upper mid range of phones, while the iphone 4 is a high end device, with only dual core models above it.
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Either way, it looks like you meant Galaxy S and SII sales combined, and since their launch in 2010.
http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2011/1...ii-smartphones-top-30-million-combined-sales/
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/10/samsung-galaxy-s-family-goes-beyond-30-million-in-sales/
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The last report I saw was from October... and at the time the Galaxy S and Galaxy S II combined was 30 million.
The Galaxy S came out last year, and the Galaxy S II this year.
Those are amazing numbers... but it wasn't the Galaxy S II alone that sold that many. (plus... I can't find any more evidence that the GSII sold 44 million on any other site besides that linked site and wikipedia)
As for the iPhone... Apple doesn't break down sales by model.
But... Apple sold 86 million iPhones since August of 2010. I would guess at least 2/3 of them were the iPhone 4
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Urgh.
Phone share: up 1.4%
Smartphone share: up 1.4%
Apple only sell iPhones... How can both numbers be the same?
Urgh.
Phone share: up 1.4%
Smartphone share: up 1.4%
Apple only sell iPhones... How can both numbers be the same?
You mean like those free-with-contract iPhones? They only sell those to people who meet your class specifications?
I've been scouring the internet looking for the exact same information. Samsung nor Apple is breaking it down. Annoying.
The interesting thing about putting the Galaxy S and Galaxy S II in the same bucket, is that the Galaxy S and the iPhone 4 were released in June of 2010. This means you can also include QIII 2010 in the iPhone sales numbers which would put it 55 million Galaxy S Class phones vs. 95 million iPhones or around 62 million in a 2/3 range. I also don't think that is an unreasonable percentage to attribute to iPhone 4, but we are guessing.
Still, I don't think any of this matters to anyone but Samsung (and good for them!). The iPhone 4s is on track to sell close to 30 million in 2.5 months. Realistically, I don't see a drastic drop in demand after Christmas. For example, I know there will be another surge in February as more people come up for contract renewal on AT&T, there may be a Verizon surge as well, I don't know their renewal timeframes as well as AT&Ts. There will also be several mini-surges as the iPhone 4S comes to more markets and more small carriers. I think the iPhone 4S could easily sell 120 million units in the four quarters it has before the iPhone 5 comes out. Maybe the Nexus will too, who knows.