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If they enter into a negotiation and get that cut, then absolutely. It’s not “this is how all engagements between companies should ALWAYS go”, it’s “if companies come up with an arrangement that works for them for the moment, but not working for them now, they companies should negotiate new terms.”

Apple had an exclusivity deal for a time with AT&T where AT&T was the only seller in the US AND they got a cut of iPhone revenue. When Apple wanted to be available via other carriers, they didn’t go to the government saying “I don’t like the deal I signed”, they meet with AT&T and renegotiated their agreement.
That’s not answering my question. Do you think cellular and ISP providers deserve a cut of hardware sales?
 
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Why stop at just the device?

This transaction took place connected to Comcast WiFi, so Comcast gets a cut. Goodbye net neutrality. Oh you charged your iPhone using PG&E power? Transaction wouldn't have been possible without those electrons, so PG&E gets a cut. If developers don't like it they can just sell their software to customers on other power platforms. Oh, you were sitting in an Aeron chair when you renewed your Netflix account? Well customers that are comfortable are more likely to spend more money, so that was an instrumental part of the transaction. Better be sending a check to Herman Miller.
This reminds me of when Apple put out one of those jobs created PR pieces where they basically took credit for any job growth at places like UPS and FedEx.
 
AT&T did get a cut of Apple revenue for a time. AND was exclusive to AT&T so they couldn’t even sell through another carrier. When they wanted to sell on another US carrier, they had to go back to AT&T and renegotiatel. I guess they COULD have complained to the government that they signed an agreement that they no longer like, but, for whatever reason, they didn’t.

If cellular providers and/or ISP’s think they can get a cut of every Apple hardware sale, they’re free to meet with Apple and try to get that deal done. There’s nothing stopping them from doing so.
So you think they deserve a cut or no?
 
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Yes I absolutely think they would pay more than 0%. Apple could have done that. Phil Schiller advocated for it in 2011. But Tim Cook and the bean counters won.
The epic ceo asked to negotiate on the commission with apple and they said NO
the problem is simply this apple are not changing with the times in today’s society and this is what your finding out
 
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This is a good thing for customers like me.

I need Apple to work as as shield against developers. I don't want anything from them except their apps and services.
There are developers that ABSOLUTELY want your email address. They don’t even want to accept the email address from hide my email. “Oh, we just want to be able to contact you, we don’t use it for anything else.” Then, when they fall prey to a cyberattack, “See, if you didn’t give us your email, we wouldn’t be able to let you know that someone else has it now!”
 
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Because Apple wants it to be different. Not everything needs to be the same. Apple saw what they perceived to be flaws in the old model, so they chose a different model. The decision has been wildly successful.
Likely far beyond their expectations! I bet they never expected people that hate how their products work to purchase their products and say how much they wish they were different!
 
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Likely far beyond their expectations! I bet they never expected people that hate how their products work to purchase their products and say how much they wish they were different!
Yeah you think that’s it
people suddenly purchase an iPhone and wonder why you can’t sideload & have 3rd party app stores on it
Then who’s fault is that then?
 
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Yes however the difference is these rules and regulations setup by said company has not changed with society as a whole since they were introduced and times have changed it’s not the early 2000’s anymore and some of these rules no longer fit into today’s society
So, if Apple doesn’t fit into today’s society, then what would happen is that Apple would, year over year, continue to lose revenue, marketshare, tank their customer satisfaction scores and, eventually, cease operations as a company. It’s a VERY effective process that has been in use since before the early 2000’s and has never failed to tank a company that doesn’t respond to their customer base, whether they’re users or developers or retailers.
 
So, if Apple doesn’t fit into today’s society, then what would happen is that Apple would, year over year, continue to lose revenue, marketshare, tank their customer satisfaction scores and, eventually, cease operations as a company. It’s a VERY effective process that has been in use since before the early 2000’s and has never failed to tank a company that doesn’t respond to their customer base, whether they’re users or developers or retailers.
Again Apple’s rules and regulations regarding
IOS have not changed with today’s society
It’s not the 2010’s anymore times have changed in relation of the smartphone in today’s society (this is not about customer satisfaction it’s about how its viewed in today’s society) and that’s the problem that they have
 
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Again Apple’s rules and regulations regarding
IOS have not changed with today’s society
It’s not the 2010’s anymore times have changed in relation of the smartphone in today’s society (this is not about customer satisfaction it’s about how its viewed in today’s society) and that’s the problem that they have

They have changed. Just because you don't want to admit it doesn't mean it isn't true. The government taking away many consumers' preference for a closed ecosystem isn't going to change anything other than hurt regular people.

"Sorry your retirement account got drained when you were socially engineered to sideload a scam app grandma, but it was better for society that Spotify didn't have to pay Apple the way they don't pay artists, and that a bunch of MacRumors forum posters who wanted to sideload apps didn't have to use Android. Enjoy the soup kitchen though!"
 
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All the Apple naysayers who think Apple should be forced to open The App Store don’t like this argument because it represents an inconvenient truth for them.

And that’s the fact that the average iPhone user generates almost 4x the revenue as the average Android user.

If you want to make money as a mobile developer you NEED to be on iPhones.

Must be difficult for the anti-Apple crowd to know their best argument for opening up The App Store requires admitting Apple is the best. 😉
And, if you want to make money, but NOT as a mobile developer, there’s a big wide world waiting for you! Be warned, though, commissions/profit sharing, etc. are a big part of a LOOOOT of different businesses. So, if a person’s idea of doing business is that, “I must have a 99% cut in every business deal I make!” they may find that, in general, individuals/organizations like being recompensed for access to their customer base. Probably as much as they themselves do.
 
Why stop at just the device?

This transaction took place connected to Comcast WiFi, so Comcast gets a cut. Goodbye net neutrality. Oh you charged your iPhone using PG&E power? Transaction wouldn't have been possible without those electrons, so PG&E gets a cut. If developers don't like it they can just sell their software to customers on other power platforms. Oh, you were sitting in an Aeron chair when you renewed your Netflix account? Well customers that are comfortable are more likely to spend more money, so that was an instrumental part of the transaction. Better be sending a check to Herman Miller.
Absolutely! If Comcast can get that deal signed, then more power to them. It’s how business works! PG&E wants to enter into an agreement with Apple for iPhone power, set up the meeting, folks, and get that deal made! Just leaving money on the table otherwise.

Aeron, you KNOW Netflix would be nowhere near as comfortable to watch without your chairs. Better get your lawyers working as, once you let Netflix know, they’ll be more than amenable to your terms. Herman Miller, get over here, we think your negotiating position will be stronger working with Aeron… share the wealth!

Nothing prevents any of these companies from entering into agreements with the others. And, if they can get it, great! If they can’t, well perhaps their bargaining position wasn’t as strong as they thought it was.
 
Absolutely! If Comcast can get that deal signed, then more power to them. It’s how business works! PG&E wants to enter into an agreement with Apple for iPhone power, set up the meeting, folks, and get that deal made! Just leaving money on the table otherwise.

Aeron, you KNOW Netflix would be nowhere near as comfortable to watch without your chairs. Better get your lawyers working as, once you let Netflix know, they’ll be more than amenable to your terms. Herman Miller, get over here, we think your negotiating position will be stronger working with Aeron… share the wealth!

Nothing prevents any of these companies from entering into agreements with the others. And, if they can get it, great! If they can’t, well perhaps their bargaining position wasn’t as strong as they thought it was.
Most of that is just pure rent seeking. And thank goodness it’s not unfettered right to rent seeking infinitely as we would be screwed by now.
 
They have changed. Just because you don't want to admit it doesn't mean it isn't true. The government taking away many consumers' preference for a closed ecosystem isn't going to change anything other than hurt regular people.

"Sorry your retirement account got drained when you were socially engineered to sideload a scam app grandma, but it was better for society that Spotify didn't have to pay Apple the way they don't pay artists, and that a bunch of MacRumors forum posters who wanted to sideload apps didn't have to use Android. Enjoy the soup kitchen though!"
No they haven’t the same rules and regulations existed from the start on iOS
Today’s society is very much different from
2010 in relation to the smartphone that is why there was no issues back then with Apple’s rules and regulations but about 15 years later there is because society is very much different in terms of the smartphone
It’s very disingenuous to claim that individuals will get rinsed of all their income and end up homeless & in a soup kitchen in relation to court cases & governments challenging apple
Times change
 
It’s very disingenuous to claim that individuals will get rinsed of all their income and end up homeless & in a soup kitchen in relation to court cases & governments challenging apple

Not disingenuous - it's reality on Android. Coming soon to an iPhone near you!


 
That's a false dichotomy. Developers don't have to choose between not making money and the App Store. They can also choose to make money on other platforms.
App and in-app purchase revenue
Despite having a smaller global market share, iOS and its App Store consistently generate substantially more revenue than Android and Google Play.
  • Total Revenue: In 2024, the Apple App Store generated an estimated $103.4 billion, more than twice the $46.7 billion from the Google Play Store.
  • Per-User Spending: In 2023, iOS users spent an average of $10.40 per app per month, which is over seven times more than the $1.40 spent by Android users.
  • Purchase Value: The average value of a single purchase is higher on iOS. One study found the average in-app purchase was $1.00 for iOS compared to $0.47 for Android.
 
Not disingenuous - it's reality on Android. Coming soon to an iPhone near you!


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As I suspected get rich quick schemes and quick loans no wonder to good to be true the individuals own fault
As the saying goes if it’s to good to be true then it’s a scam.
 
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