You realize that Samsung replaced the "Tab" with the "Tab 2" during Q1/Q2 of 2012, which model line is not represented in these numbers. Whereas Apple's numbers apparently include all three generations of iPad. I'd guess iPad (orig) sales in Q2 2012 were zero.
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Apple and Samsung Reveal U.S. Mobile Device Sales in Court Case
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Just wait until Apple buys Disney. That will totally change things.
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I'd guess that Samsung is intentionally lying about their sales figures.
To minimize the damages they will inevitably be paying Apple. They're planning ahead for once.
But seriously, the same report shows these figures (which could of course also be Samsung lies):
Q2 US Galaxy Tab 10.1 sales: 1,000
Q2 US Galaxy Tab 10.1 LTE sales: 11,000
That's twelve thousand total Galaxy Tab 10.1 + Galaxy Tab 10.1 LTE sales last quarter in the US.
Not terribly surprising. But not very good for a "flagship" product.
Care to enlighten us with Samsung's Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 sales figures?
(And isn't that the pad Samsung had to ship because of patent infringement? LOL.)
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What stands out to me at least is how Sprint makes up a huge chunk of Samsung Galaxy line sales.
For them being the 2nd smallest carrier, they do huge Samsung numbers.
For them being the 2nd smallest carrier, they do huge Samsung numbers.
Even if the court told him so?
Please. These "Steve Jobs would never do (x)" posts are pointless. You have no idea what Steve would do.
True, everyone knows that Apple slowly rolls out features to get people to upgrade to the next model. There's no debating the history of that strategy.
More choice helps explain why they supposedly sell twice as many smartphones worldwide as Apple.
We can do some calculations:
About 24 million smartphones were sold in the US in Q2. According to NPD, about 33% (8 million) were from Apple, 24% (5.5 million) from Samsung.
The trial document lists 2 million accused older Samsung devices sold in the US for 2Q. Therefore there would also have to be 3.5 million non-accused models sold to total 5.5 million. Someone with more time could compile a list of non-accused models that were available in 2Q (Note, S3?, etc) to help us judge.
Are you implying that Samsung doesn't do this, or am i misconstruing?
Not the only reason for their success of course, but you know that.
Sounds about right.
I don't have the Tab 2 figures. Nobody does outside of Samsung. You seem to be misunderstanding my point, which is that the Tab is no longer a flagship product, it is a discontinued product. Its sales will dwindle towards zero fast, last quarter is not a good representation of anything for that particular item. If you want a direct comparison to Apple, you'll have to use comparable numbers.
Analogy:
How many 1965 Corvettes did Chevy ship last quarter? Would the number be indicative of current consumer interest in the Corvette?
Apple continues to make themselves look like fools. Samsung's own sales figures show this. One of the better selling phone from Samsung is a prepaid phone. Hey Apple, do you think people bought that because they mistook it for the iphone, or because it works for them and is affordable? People aren't idiots who just buy something because they can't tell if its an iphone or an android phone. They buy what works for them. In the case of that prepaid, it had all the features they needed for a good price.
Steve Jobs would be willing to destroy apple to destroy Android. SJ had a massive ego problem.
I guess we'll have to wait for the next Apple vs. Samsung patent trial.
Point taken. Not to dwell, but let's look at some 2011 Galaxy Tab 10.1 US sales figures.
Way back when the Galaxy Tab 10.1 was the "flagship product":
Q2 2011: 133,000 units (note: Galaxy Tab 10.1 was released June 8, 2011, the last month of the quarter)
Q3 2011: 133,000 units (note: same number, but over the full three months of the quarter)
Just a round-off error for Apple.
And how much is a 1965 Corvette worth now? Well, a good one, depending on whether it's a coupe or convertible, engine / transmission, etc. goes for between $100k - $200k at auction. Collector interest for sure.
Maybe a Galaxy Tab 10.1 will be worth thousands of US dollars in 47 years (correcting for inflation of course.) Considering how few have been sold, they could have great collector value due to rarity. Given enough time.
Committing perjury ? That's a pretty serious accusation you're levying against them there.
Steve Jobs the cartoon character would. Steve Jobs the businessman would not.
Here's a nice tidbit :
Samsung attorney argued in court without proper license to practice.
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...court_without_proper_license_to_practice.html
"It was discovered Thursday that Samsung lawyer Susan Estrich represented the company in Apple v. Samsung despite not having the proper license to practice law in the suit's jurisdiction of the Northern District of California, a mistake seen as yet another gaffe in the South Korean company's case management."
Way to go sammy.
Samsung attorney argued in court without proper license to practice.
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...court_without_proper_license_to_practice.html
"It was discovered Thursday that Samsung lawyer Susan Estrich represented the company in Apple v. Samsung despite not having the proper license to practice law in the suit's jurisdiction of the Northern District of California, a mistake seen as yet another gaffe in the South Korean company's case management."
Way to go sammy.
Oh look, another Florian Mueller smoking gun. And one that's not pertinent anymore since even by his own admission, she is now fully admitted in the Norther District of California and was during the hearing she presided over for evidence spoilation.
What is this about except just another media attack on "Samsung" ? (And really, Samsung doesn't choose it's lawyers, it chose a law firm to represent it. These kind of mistakes are not "Way to go sammy" at all).
Do we really need these kinds of soap opera posts which derail us from the actual case and arguments for and against the actual plaintiff's claims.
Guess I shouldn't expect much better from AI and FOSSpatents though. Obvious biased Apple source quotes ferocious anti-Google pundit. Florian is an admitted Oracle consultant. He has stated his bias and will always post anti-Google FUD. Just stop reading and taking his stuff seriously, it's just tainted.
If nothing else, we see that the highly touted Samsung sales numbers according to all these expert analysts are flat out lies, if not totally fabricated ********.
Apple stomped Samsung across the board in the USA. Blowout.
And what represented Samsung's android ambitions most...The Prevail
3.2" 320x480 pixels, non-AMOLED
117MB memory
800MHz Qualcomm processor
Android 2.2 Froyo
2 Megapixel camera with QVGA video
What happened to people don't want "small" screens...?
As everyone has been screaming since forever, Android and Samsung's sales numbers are padded with GARBAGE throw away devices.
No wonder Samsung never gives actual sales numbers. That's embarrassing.
Apple stomped Samsung across the board in the USA. Blowout.
And what represented Samsung's android ambitions most...The Prevail
3.2" 320x480 pixels, non-AMOLED
117MB memory
800MHz Qualcomm processor
Android 2.2 Froyo
2 Megapixel camera with QVGA video
What happened to people don't want "small" screens...?
As everyone has been screaming since forever, Android and Samsung's sales numbers are padded with GARBAGE throw away devices.
No wonder Samsung never gives actual sales numbers. That's embarrassing.
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Oh look, trying to spread FUD without even reading the original piece :
Hardly. He said he would spend every penny Apple had to destroy Android and then spent (in the context of what Apple has) effectively 0. All just bluster.
Oh look, trying to spread FUD without even reading the original piece :
So there is some secret premium android phone not represented on that chart...seeing as 80% of Samsung's lineup is accused from infringement.
No way to get around the fact that Samsungs best selling android phone since 2010 was an 2008 class iPhone at best.
Well, for 1 thing, the chart does not include Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy Note or Galaxy SIII. Also, notice how the chart splits up the Galaxy SII accross 4 different versions, 1 for each of the major carriers. To get proper Galaxy SII numbers, you have to add each of those up together.
It's not suffering from carrier split up and has been available for carriers this whole time, while Samsung's Galaxy SII was replaced by the Galaxy SIII.
Also note t that if you compare Q4 '11 numbers, it tells quite a different story. The Galaxy SII was the premium model there.
Finally, these are US only models.
FUD is FUD though, keep fighting the good fight for a corporation that doesn't give 2 crap about you.
Easy enough...
Samsung Sold 4.127 million GSII type phones.
The Prevail is 2.255 million units.
The Prevail is still a massive chunk of total sales, and again validates the notion that Samsung/Android's market share is padded with low end devices and all this talk about Samsung controlling 70% of the American market is paper tiger scenario.
The Prevail was only 10% of the total 22 million in the chart.
The higher end models (Galaxy S, Continuum, Fascinate, Epic 4G, Nexus) seemed to account for 50%.
I didn't have time to check prices/specs on the other models. It could turn out to be about 10-15% low priced, 25-35% mid-priced, and 50-65% higher priced... not too far off from what I've heard the iPhone 3GS, 4 and 4S ratio is in the US.
It's the subsidies that account for this seemingly backward tendency. People can afford more higher end phones because the upfront cost is not that much in comparison to the phone bill itself.
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Interesting analysis comparing the performance of the iPhone and Samsung's offerings:
http://www.asymco.com/2012/08/10/samsungs-basis-of-competition/
http://www.asymco.com/2012/08/10/samsungs-basis-of-competition/