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Apple Announces Ability to Download iPhone Apps From Websites in EU
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Yep, goes to show they're willing to risk millions in revenue for the extra 30%.
I think I can. Epic was willing to risk millions. Goes to show how much extra 30% is worth to them.
I think you missed my point. luckily Apple is dragging their feet so that customer adoption outside App Store will be low and therefore less companies will likely leave the App Store.
Funny how people argued "users don't know how to subscribe to Spotify/Netflix outside of the app!!!!! devs need to be able to say in the app how to subscribe!!!" earlier. Talk about getting over it 🤦♂️
actually linux started off as a kernel which didn't have a distribution repo ;-)
buy android then. clearly people already have options.
Very few developers (like Epic) have an app that is so must-have that users would seriously go through the hoops to sideload. Meta will never pull their apps from the App Store even if it means they'd make an extra 15% on IAPs because it would mean the number of folks who use their apps would tank. It's bad enough that users have to go to the App Store to download the app in the first place - most people don't bother with that. Look at how low Thread's adoption has been after it's initial bang. Nobody is bothering to download the app in the "one stop shop".
Outside of those special cases, sideloading is mostly for apps that are outside of what Apple would approve. And yes adoption for those will be very low.
So I am not sure why people are making such a big deal about this. Who is harmed by this?
I was going to make a similar argument. The reason the App Store blew the doors off the market is because it ISN’T like macOS. It’s MORE accessible by normal people.
The dma sidestepped a finding and declared “gatekeeper”.
Yes among the hundreds of others.
Which signals more intent on what is really going on.My loss.
That's how you install apps on Windows machines and there's a billion+ Windows users.
Only problem with that argument is that people lose the choice of a closed mobile ecosystem.
currently the choice is/was
1.). Open mobile ecosystem - android
2.). Closed mobile ecosystem - iPhone.
you increase the choice within iPhone but at the expense of the choice for the consumer of choosing a closed mobile ecosystem.
if you choose android and only use Google Play Store then you are still on an Open Mobile Ecosystem.
you call Apple the Daddy whilst ignoring the fact that the EU is now telling any users that chose Apple because of the closed mobile ecosytem that their opinion and choice doesn’t matter and that even though they chose and paid for a closed mobile ecosystem they can no longer have it. They are forcing an open mobile ecosystem onto consumers that chose a closed mobile ecosystem.
they say this about consumer choice however is only for consumers that already made the choice to purchase an iPhone, whilst stripping the Choice for consumers who want and choose to buy a closed mobile.
if apple is the daddy in saying if you CHOOSE to buy an iPhone it is locked down then what is the EU in saying we are going to REMOVE your choice of a closed system completely.
you can say i don’t have to use the alt app stores, alt payment, side loading however they are still there and make the system an open mobile ecosystem, whereas I specifically chose Apple due to its closed nature.
prior to the EU’s actions then consumers could weigh up Apples close system, vs androids open system and make a choice to purchase an iPhone or buy an alternative.
if people don’t like the closed mobile ecosystem that apple offers then the consumer has a choice not to purchase it. Of course they may decide that whilst they don’t like the closed system, then the downsides to android outweigh the closed system, however that is for the consumer to choose surely.
devs have a choice not to develop for iOS, however figures show that iOS users spend more money on apps then android users hence why apple gets way more of the app revenue then android mobile companies do. this is why devs want to target iOS as more chance that the consumers will purchase and spend money on the app.
people say that apple needs the devs in which case if devs stop developing for iOS then short term they will take a hit however if the apps are not their for iOS then consumers will surely stop purchasing iPhones and so Apple will give them devs better terms to get them to develop on iOS.
after all Apple cannot force devs to develop apps for iPhone can they.
if the people that would have bought iPhones then buy android then will, they still not buy the App on Android instead of having purchased on iPhone.
for the developer surely that is win/win as the consumer will purchase their app anyway.
But you are saying people are too stupid too know the difference and make an informed choice between an open system Android and a closed system iOS.
how are you any better.
Cute. they can open up 10000 ways for app distribution, advertising, subscriptions and sales.
As long as they need to sign and approve them or get ‘notarised’ they are still gate keeping and in breach with the DMA and the EU will come after that.
They clearly don’t understand the word ‘gate keeping’, which is why DMA exists 😁
As long as they need to sign and approve them or get ‘notarised’ they are still gate keeping and in breach with the DMA and the EU will come after that.
They clearly don’t understand the word ‘gate keeping’, which is why DMA exists 😁
But if apps make the platform then surely by devs not developing on iOS then users will not choose iOS because lack of apps.
at that point devs will either get better terms from Apple or Apple pulls out of market and devs sell the App instead on Android to the user.
Win/Win for the developer surely?
exactly
iOS been the way it has since launch in that Apple looked to keep closed and under control.
if want to argue that MacOS allows this then iOS being closed since launch is also valid.
There only two major mobile OS platforms available, iOS being one of them. Apple has been restricting app access competition on a major and lucrative segment of the mobile OS market. Opening up iOS to sideloading and alternative app stores therefore opens up app access CHOICE and COMPETITION in that major segment of the mobile OS market that wasn't allowed before.
You must feel the App Store is pretty worthless to developers then.
That's not sidestepping.
Care to name some of the hundreds of other mobile operating systems currently available in the EU?