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EU wants to do what SSSR used to do. Set prices out of thin air and tell people what they can and can’t do.

That's why I always prefer corporation to regulate the market and set prices and services which always benefit me. Like Comcast Corp being the sole cable provider in the neighborhood, they know that is in my best interest. That's why they lobbied that not even a community internet can get into my neighborhood let alone another cable operator. Because Comcast knows that separation between broadband infrastructure and content/service providers is not in my best interest. Somehow they forgot to throw in a dedicated TV model that is the only one that works with their service, but I'm sure they will fix that in the future when they make some super deal with Vizio.
 
You mean that a developer said to Apple give us better terms or we won’t be on your platform.

that is precisely what I said devs should do In my post.

thank you for confirming that what I said was correct and works by giving us such an example of a Dev that done what I suggested that they should do.
But smaller developers don't have that power. now, with the possibility of actually being able to move, it addresses the power imbalance, and puts it up to Apple to provide a better service. Now even smaller developers can say 'improve the terms, or we're off'.

Stop thinking only about the huge corporate interests. Small businesses deserve consideration too.

Apple still has the advantage of being first there, and the general inertia of customers. What this all does is limit their ability to abuse that position.
 
I buy Apple because of the infrastructure and security, I don't care if Apple takes a 30% cut from developers—they knew that when they started developing.

The sooner third party app stores start distributing trojan horses the better. Then everyone can blame the EU.

You people need to chill with trojan and malware because few things will most likely happen to your phone before it even gets infected with a third party trojan app.

1. Someone very close to you will get access to your phone and look for whatever they wanna look for
2. You iOS Phone, iMessage and Calendar app unpatched exploits will exploit you with malicious content

These two are the real threats
 
Yeah, share your credit card, billing address, and other personal information with strangers.I can foresee lots of fake websites distributing malware and stealing user information.
True, Mac users are already able to download apps off websites, but these users are mainly adults with at least an inch of brain, able to detect danger.
Phone users range from children to the elderly, a wide range of vulnerable users who may not be able to perceive any danger.
If this is what the EU wants, they are going to be sorry.
Whatever happens to personal responsibility, freedom with personal accountability?

I thought Americans loved their freedom instead of having the nanny-state company protecting them from making harmful choices that goes against their best interests?

Big brother knows best it seems.
 

That's why I always prefer corporation to regulate the market and set prices and services which always benefit me. Like Comcast Corp being the sole cable provider in the neighborhood, they know that is in my best interest. That's why they lobbied that not even a community internet can get into my neighborhood let alone another cable operator. Because Comcast knows that separation between broadband infrastructure and content/service providers is not in my best interest. Somehow they forgot to throw in a dedicated TV model that is the only one that works with their service, but I'm sure they will fix that in the future when they make some super deal with Vizio.
I know nothing about your community, but normally if you see it’s not fair you then don’t go and give them money enforcing the fact that change for the better will not happen.

If you want market to regulate itself you don’t sign up for it.
 
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So you think a malware company can keep their Developer account in good standing for at least two years, and get at least a million installs in the EU on the app store - before launching their malicious app on their website. I don't think you are serious.
It’s super easy, barely an inconvenience. You don’t think there will be thousands if not millions of developer accounts just established to be in good standing and “selling” a million free apps just to get notarized.

Just how developer accounts are sold for Pennie’s on the dollar that have that already
 
It’s super easy, barely an inconvenience. You don’t think there will be thousands if not millions of developer accounts just established to be in good standing and “selling” a million free apps just to get notarized.

Just how developer accounts are sold for Pennie’s on the dollar that have that already
It probably can be checked easily If owner changes .
 
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You’re being mistaken. The choice isn’t the OS as Eau gives zero thought about that.
The issue is undertakers( legal and private entities engaged in economic activity) have only one choice on the iOS platform and that being iTunes billing. Competes allowing third party providers to compete 100% on the merit of their service with as little obstacles in the way to compete.
But that choice of Mobile OS is still a choice that I have and now the EU has REMOVED the CHOICE of a closed mobile ecosystem.

ZERO THOUGHT, exactly right. The EU has taken no account of consumers choice to have the closed mobile ecosystem that they bought.

they have prioritised BUSINESS over a CONSUMER.

undertakers have the CHOICE to operate on the iOS platform or not.
a Consumers CHOICE has been taken away to make a BUSINESS happy.

undertakers could instead choose to operate on an alternative mobile platform. I have no choice anymore for a closed mobile ecosystem.
 
Very few apps will be distributed like this because app developers know very few customers will be willing to jump through hoops. Let's be honest - most customers won't install an app from the app store to begin with unless they really want the app. But choice is good wouldn't you agree?

And this is why I don’t understand why they were so opposed to doing this. It would have been a win-win-win - except for now, it’s a pr disaster for Apple…
 
But that choice of Mobile OS is still a choice that I have and now the EU has REMOVED the CHOICE of a closed mobile ecosystem.

ZERO THOUGHT, exactly right. The EU has taken no account of consumers choice to have the closed mobile ecosystem that they bought.

they have prioritised BUSINESS over a CONSUMER.

undertakers have the CHOICE to operate on the iOS platform or not.
a Consumers CHOICE has been taken away to make a BUSINESS happy.

undertakers could instead choose to operate on an alternative mobile platform. I have no choice anymore for a closed mobile ecosystem.
Makes about as much sense as saying by allowing gay marriage they took away your choice of not having gay marriage. If you don’t want to sideload, don’t sideload.
What APPLE took away is the choice of installing software that does things Apple doesn’t approve of. Like emulators, virtualization, crypto etc. Or even a browser with a different engine, so if a site doesn’t ply nicely with Safari, one could still use it. THAT’s a real loss and as a customer, I’m not happy.
 
Apple only becomes a gatekeeper once a user has CHOSEN to purchase an iPhone as their smartphone.
You can see it that way. But what about app publishers and other stakeholders? They can't influence their customer's choices. There are many parties who have an interest in how mobile platforms work (OEMs, users, app publishers, web service providers). Also, why are you so certain, that iPhone customers are by default ok with the economics of the App Store? I made a choice based on numerous criteria. Openness was only one dimension of many. For example, I'm not very comfortable using a smartphone that is designed mainly by an ad company.
 
You people need to chill with trojan and malware because few things will most likely happen to your phone before it even gets infected with a third party trojan app.

1. Someone very close to you will get access to your phone and look for whatever they wanna look for
2. You iOS Phone, iMessage and Calendar app unpatched exploits will exploit you with malicious content

These two are the real threats
Nothing is impossible… there are much simpler ways to get messages and data from someone, for example to have secretly record all of your inputs and so on.
 
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I find it really funny to see people up in arms about direct downloads when Apple itself does it.
I was just looking up to see if Apple Music is even available for Android, and this is what I was presented with.
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I was just looking up to see if Apple Music is even available for Android, and this is what I was presented with.
…and don’t forget to trust “unknown sources” if prompted for installation:

”Tap applemusic.apk. If you see "Install Blocked", tap Settings, then select the box next to "Unknown Sources".

Repeat the process for every update.
 
That's not sidestepping.
That’s exactly what it is.
Care to name some of the hundreds of other mobile operating systems currently available in the EU?
Android fork 1, android fork 2. Do you think all of these vendors use exactly the same operating system. It’s like saying all Linux based distros are identical.
 
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Whatever happens to personal responsibility, freedom with personal accountability?

I thought Americans loved their freedom instead of having the nanny-state company protecting them from making harmful choices that goes against their best interests?

Big brother knows best it seems.

Most people don't know how to protect themselves.
Not sure were you live, but there's no such thing as absolute freedom. Freedom is a relative term. Your freedom has limits and it's based on parameters and rules. You break those, and you lose it.
You have the freedom to jump off a bridge, yet there's a sign forbidding you from doing it.
Just like there are laws to protect your freedom and police to enforce them,

Without the AppStore safety rules and the security measures originally implemented on the iPhone, software piracy and malware will now spread.
Both Developers and Users will be affected by this change. Enjoy your freedom based on digital anarchy.
 
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That’s exactly what it is.

Android fork 1, android fork 2. Do you think all of these vendors use exactly the same operating system. It’s like saying all Linux based distros are identical.
If every vendor's distribution of Android is different than the others then Apple has the majority of the market share at 34%, followed by Samsung at twenty-something % and then other vendors.

(Your premise is flawed, you can get from every distribution of linux to any other by changing the installed packages since Linux (the kernel) itself is the same)
 
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Which is probably illegal and could make them liable in funny ways.
Have never stopped illegal activity before and won’t now ether as it hasn’t.
But that choice of Mobile OS is still a choice that I have and now the EU has REMOVED the CHOICE of a closed mobile ecosystem.
It was removed 10~ years ago. It just being expanded for commercial purposes as well.
ZERO THOUGHT, exactly right. The EU has taken no account of consumers choice to have the closed mobile ecosystem that they bought.

they have prioritised BUSINESS over a CONSUMER
Correction they have prioritized S2B, S2C, B2B and B2C. (Services to businesses, services to consumers, businesses to businesses and businesses to consumer interactions)
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undertakers have the CHOICE to operate on the iOS platform or not.
a Consumers CHOICE has been taken away to make a BUSINESS happy.
In EU The European Court of Justice described "undertaking" to mean any person (natural or legal) "engaged in an economic activity", which includes any state run enterprises in cases where they pursued economic activities on the internal market.

They didn’t do zero thought, the consumer just isn’t the be all end all to ensure a healthy market. There multiple stakeholders who’s wellbeing and interest are valued.

The US is unhealthily obsessed with “consumer welfare” consistent of solely B2C without taking in to account the holistic approach to the health of the market and its impact on consumers in the long term.
undertakers could instead choose to operate on an alternative mobile platform. I have no choice anymore for a closed mobile ecosystem.
There’s android phones on the market that are completely locked down ecosystem with no ability to side load.
 
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