that's where I disagree. understand what I'm saying now?Or the EU can loosen
that's where I disagree. understand what I'm saying now?Or the EU can loosen
re-read my original statement "macOS/Linux/Windows didn't start off with store only.". contextually we're discussing installing third party native apps.True that, but in that spirit - iPhone/iOS didn't initially had app-store and Jobs suggested developers to build web-apps ;-) As you see, pressure can cause significant change in OS philosophy ;-)
No deflection whatsoever. I was replying to claims that the DMA was designed to target U.S. companies.Nice deflection there. This had nothing to do with “dominance”, “market share”, “anti trust”.![]()
Nice deflection there (as you would say), after I countered "your" 23% market share figure with "my" more than 50% of revenueThe EU hates successful companies
Restricting others from communicating to consumers or to access their products conveniently isn't "hard work" - it's denying others enjoying the fruits of their hard work to the fullest.that do well through perseverance and hard work.
Keyword is force. That never works.Yup and side-loading is a lower priority for me than other things. However if government wants to step in and force Apple to make some changes I want to see, I’m all for it.
if side loading was so important, you buy an android
if everything else about the phone is more important, you buy an iPhone.
see how that works?
And you're free to disagree. 🤷♂️that's where I disagree. understand what I'm saying now?
Seems to be working actually, based on the frequent news articles on Apple's capitulation as of late.Keyword is force. That never works.
Not sure about that when I read all the comments over here.Because choosing a phone is a matter of many more variables than "sideloading" or "no sideloading".
Sounds like projection to me. There are countless posts about the doom and carnage that is to come if *GASP* people are allowed to install software from outside of the App Store on their iPhones. Oh the absolute horror!!! And the children!!Not sure about that when I read all the comments over here.
Since 2008 we have the app store and what we call today the Google Play Store ... 16 years later, people are discussing this issue as if tomorrow may never come.
jesusSounds like projection to me. There are countless posts about the doom and carnage that is to come if *GASP* people are allowed to install software from outside of the App Store on their iPhones. Oh the absolute horror!!! And the children!!
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It just happen to be that the EU threaded the needle and define the terminology and laws such that apple is considered a public utility. The case for ticktoc is not relevant to this discussion as the underpinnings are different.No deflection whatsoever. I was replying to claims that the DMA was designed to target U.S. companies.
It wasn't - it was designed to target gatekeepers in digital software/services - which just happen to be mainly from the U.S. (due to various factors).
Nice deflection there (as you would say), after I countered "your" 23% market share figure with "my" more than 50% of revenue
But nonsense, governments don't "hate" successful companies. Successful companies employ people and provide tax revenue. I'm not seeing how they would have any issue with Epic, Spotify and others becoming successful.
Restricting others from communicating to consumers or to access their products conveniently isn't "hard work" - it's denying others enjoying the fruits of their hard work to the fullest.
PS: I mean, in Apple's case, it they actually seem hard (at) work in throwing wrenches into third-party developers' businesses.
Ironically without the children the future may never come...Sounds like projection to me. There are countless posts about the doom and carnage that is to come if *GASP* people are allowed to install software from outside of the App Store on their iPhones. Oh the absolute horror!!! And the children!!
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You're mistaking caring about something vs buying a device for something.Not sure about that when I read all the comments over here.
Give it some time.And you're free to disagree. 🤷♂️
Seems to be working actually, based on the frequent news articles on Apple's capitulation as of late.
Wrong. They literally should do what they think is best for the customers that enjoy the walled garden. Sideloading/alt app stores is breaking down the walled garden. See how that works?There are people who may like Apple's iOS "walled garden" but that doesn't mean Apple should be able to stifle app access competition on a major mobile OS platform by restricting sideloading and alternative app stores
Thanks for pointing out what I'm literally doing on these forums? Giving opinions, agreeing, disagreeing, explaining my reasoning, etc...And you're free to disagree. 🤷♂️
Thank you immensely for the fitting example of the hyperbolic rhetoric I had just mentioned that was being projected. "If folks are allowed to side-load there will be no children and no future!!" 😂Ironically without the children the future may never come...
Thanks for pointing out what I'm literally doing on these forums? Giving opinions, agreeing, disagreeing, explaining my reasoning, etc...
Anyways, I'm moving on.
how do you clasiffy, let's say, VSCode? ;-)re-read my original statement "macOS/Linux/Windows didn't start off with store only.". contextually we're discussing installing third party native apps.
unless of course you think web-apps are just the same in which case, app developers should have clearly built web apps as the alternative instead of whining about it. or do you not think web-apps are the same? ;-)
Keyword is force. That never works.
Wrong. They literally should do what they think is best for the customers that enjoy the walled garden. Sideloading/alt app stores is breaking down the walled garden. See how that works?
You aren’t a developer, if you were you would be aware of the concept of multi homing.They are not a developer and you can tell.
Because developers like me understand the huge benefits that the iOS brings compared to something like Steam or the Mac. App Store as a channel to market is far easier, cheaper and more effective than running Google or Meta Ads.
It's why there isn't some huge parade of developers aren't asking for the whole system to be scrapped.
Well side loading is extremely dumb on android as well and have been for years now. You need to jailbreak them as well.January 16, 2024, the Supreme Court declined to hear the appeals from Apple and Epic in the caseIt’s just extremely cumbersome and inconvenient." then buy Android for something that isn't cumbersome to side load.
Who changed the rules of the game? Didn’t Apple read the contract saying the ToS can be changed at anytime and they agree to the new terms by accessing EU customers?"Public pressure" via boycott or via attacking the brand/public image is fine IMO. That's the rules of the game. Changing the rules of the game however is not.
So why does it seem that a vast majority of American companies will benefit massively from the DMA and the access they get to apples AppStore?It just happen to be that the EU threaded the needle and define the terminology and laws such that apple is considered a public utility. The case for ticktoc is not relevant to this discussion as the underpinnings are different.
It was obviously a very bad idea to bring up such an important issue in a side-loading discussion.Thank you immensely for the fitting example of the hyperbolic rhetoric I had just mentioned that was being projected. "If folks are allowed to side-load there will be no children and no future!!" 😂
It was obviously a very bad idea to bring up such an important issue in a side-loading discussion.
The Trotsky's idea to destroy all nation states to the benefit of the transnational capital is very much alive and well even today. Attacking the children is definitely sets you on a path to get there.
We do live pretty much in a zero trust environment. Considering that Apple is also at odds with the US government it is not very clear to me that Apple is actually chasing Trotsky's ideas in fact Apple might be trying to resist it(for whatever reason) and is being punished.Nobody is attacking children, bud. Thank you though for yet another example of hyperbolic rhetoric from the anti-consumer, pro-trillion-dollar-corporation side of things.
No. They should do what they are allowed to do by the laws in the countries they operate in. Only then, they can do what they think is best for whomever they choose.They literally should do what they think is best for the customers that enjoy the walled garden. Sideloading/alt app stores is breaking down the walled garden.