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I'm in same situation and used to only drive Lexus due to reliability. Eventually I realized that they are so boring to drive and had to up my game 3 years ago to BMW and Porsche. Actually less issues with these than the Lexus the past 3 years, and my drives are much more rewarding.
As long as you enjoy it ride it dirty.
 
I made 7 figures last year and my wife and I both have Toyotas 🤣
We’ve seen a half dozen of our neighbors in our immediate area driving AMG and Uber luxery cars end up in bankruptcy and their homes foreclosed on. Poking fun at someone’s auto of choice is hilarious.

Well if you drive Toyota, then you might be thrifty. You might have to actually think about how much you spend. It is a separate issue from how much money you make, it's more about your net worth probably, but really nobody cares here do they?. Charlie Monger was a bit famous for his thrift. RIP Charlie. Warren Buffet said that people who are flying private jets are NOT bankrupting themselves by spending $75K for a flight

PS - Your neighborhoood seems loaded with people spending more than they can afford :) Americans are notorious for poor cash management. If users need to pollute a forum with negative ninny jive talk - I can play along too.
 
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Well if you drive Toyota, then you might be thrifty. You might have to actually think about how much you spend. It is a separate issue from how much money you make, it's more about your net worth probably, but really nobody cares here do they?. Charlie Monger was a bit famous for his thrift. RIP Charlie. Warren Buffet said that people who are flying private jets are NOT bankrupting themselves by spending $75K for a flight

PS - Your neighborhoood seems loaded with people spending more than they can afford :) Americans are notorious for poor cash management. If users need to pollute a forum with negative ninny jive talk - I can play along too.
We’re talking about the UK mate.
 
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I will stick with conventional wisdom here, and hearken back to the days of old, to remind everyone that not only does no one want or need more than 640Kb RAM, but no one wants or needs these goggles.

For those admirable souls that have the means to acquire first generation units at the outset, I hesitate to declare you VR-addicted incels, but you’re well on your way to celibacy as it’s unlikely this device will improve intimacy with your partner (Disclaimer: Not taking into account enterprising companies offering his/her/they/them adult-oriented add-ons). ;)
 
This type of headline always annoys me with new products. There's no way to qualify popularity based on sell out status if numbers aren't released.

Will Apple make 100 units or 100,000 for sale?

Exactly. We don’’t know if it is actual demand or just 100 units that sold.
 
I have a two vr headsets one for pc and one for my ps5. And they almost never get used. Even though theyre fun. I have my doubts this will go mainstream. I'm really into games but putting on a helmet everytime is just to cumbersome. Think this would be used in the same fashion, i will use it for a full week, superfun. Then it's just going to be on the shelf collecting dust.
 
Cameras and eyesight were part of the weight problem I was proposing has already been solved by another solution. Did not say it is for comparison, just that other solutions have been put forth, vetted and overwhelming approved by the VR community.

Beyond, now has eye tracking mod.
Are you really suggesting that this Beyond eye tracking hack has been vetted and overwhelmingly approved by the VR community? The comment at 2:45 to "be very careful" choosing parts because "the wrong kind of emitter, the wrong power setting can really cause damage to your eyes" is more than a little concerning.

I also don't think Apple Vision Pro users want to have to set up Valve Index Base Stations wherever they want to use their AVP, but those are required with the Vive tracking method that the Bigscreen Beyond uses.
 
I have a two vr headsets one for pc and one for my ps5. And they almost never get used. Even though theyre fun. I have my doubts this will go mainstream. I'm really into games but putting on a helmet everytime is just to cumbersome. Think this would be used in the same fashion, i will use it for a full week, superfun. Then it's just going to be on the shelf collecting dust.
Yeah, I agree. I think we’re about ten years too early for this.
 
Are you really suggesting that this Beyond eye tracking hack has been vetted and overwhelmingly approved by the VR community? The comment at 2:45 to "be very careful" choosing parts because "the wrong kind of emitter, the wrong power setting can really cause damage to your eyes" is more than a little concerning.
Not at all. My original response was to:

The Beyond solved the weight issue presented within the context of that post. It certainly has less features, but in this case less is more. Most wearing a VR headset for any period of time will agree the Beyond is simply amazing, even though technically less.

The hack is exactly that, an answer to another's response about missing capabilities. Not recommended, nor needed for my use, but it is there for others with less available mobility.

I also don't think Apple Vision Pro users want to have to set up Valve Index Base Stations wherever they want to use their AVP, but those are required with the Vive tracking method that the Bigscreen Beyond uses.
Completely agree. Base stations are annoying. Moving the cameras off of the device, currently create a much better (lighter) experience, so I am stuck with annoying for extended use capabilities.

The vision pro has already impressed upon the industry what the 'next' evolution of VR can be. As with many things, while a 4 foot long pen can write for far longer, it is not necessarily the best tool.
 
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Love to try it out.. but at 3500, it'll be a hard sell to mainstream consumers. This isn't gonna move the stock price.
Rumors of 80,000 units is disappointing as well. I had originally planned to purchase one, but have now punted. No point in developing something for so few users.
 
Always wait for 4th gen for new main devices

iPhone 4
iPad 4
Apple Watch 4

The iPad 2 and Apple Watch series 2 were good enough for the mass consumer, as was the 3GS. Also, I was very satisfied with the first gen AirPods.

Bottom line - no need to rush to get one on day 1, keep your eyes open and wait for reviews. You will all have your answer soon enough.
 
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My questionable opinion is that this is designed wrong. Since there's a belt clip battery and it's tethered, wouldn't it make more sense to house the cpu there, and make it modular? Make the eyewear as light as possible? You could use a version of a phone. Sell more phones, create upgrade paths. I could really get into this. This is something the great Steve Jobs might have done, setting goals for eyepiece weight, which really needs to be a a certain spec for something like this to go mainstream.

Just not this version.
I think this design decision was made because external power delivery is expected to be a short term problem. We’ll see. If the M2 was built into the power pack, we would all be complaining that it should simply connect direct to the iPhone, just like the Sony VR2 to the PS5. Seems like a very conscious decision was made to steer away from that model. However, thats not to say there aren’t benefits to your suggestion. I believe there certainly are. They just dont mesh with the long term, um, Apple Vision (tm)?
 
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The vision pro has already impressed upon the industry what the 'next' evolution of VR can be. As with many things, while a 4 foot long pen can write for far longer, it is not necessarily the best tool.
Weird analogy, but I guess I can see it… the Beyond is sort of like a 4 foot long pen, as it is hardly portable, being anchored by fixed base stations and having no AR passthrough, but can play for longer when it is tethered to a high end GPU with AC power. On the other hand, the Vision Pro is like a 1 lb, normal sized pen… heavier than I would prefer, but functionally portable. Almost like they are completely different tools for different purposes. Assuming either really catch on, I assume there will be further convergence.
 
The iPad 2 and Apple Watch series 2 were good enough for the mass consumer, as was the 3GS. Also, I was very satisfied with the first gen AirPods.

Bottom line - no need to rush to get one on day 1, keep your eyes open and wait for reviews. You will all have your answer soon enough.
Actually, from personal experience, the iPad 1 was very much good enough for the mass consumer.

Just because things improve, doesn’t mean the original product wasn’t good. As a matter of fact, if the original product isn’t good enough, there is often no demand and therefore no follow up product to improve it. Of course, even if a product is good enough, if there is no demand it will fail. I know that I’m personally interested in AVP, but I also liked 3d TV and know a headset requires way more user effort than a pair of 3d glasses, so I think the success of this one depends more on Apple’s definition of success. If they treat it like the Apple Watch, it will probably work out in the long run, but if they expect iPhone like sales any time soon, it will not. Hopefully they have patience for the long game and this doesn’t end up like QuickTime VR… a great product 20 years too early.
 
Straight from the press release:
“As with all Apple products, powerful accessibility features have been built right into visionOS. Key accessibility features like VoiceOver, Zoom, Switch Control, Guided Access, and more have been reimagined for spatial computing. Users can interact with Apple Vision Pro entirely with their eyes, hands, or voice, or any combination that works best for them. They can select a preferred input method such as their eyes, finger, or wrist using Pointer Control, pause on an element of visionOS for a few seconds to simulate a tap using Dwell Control, or simply use voice commands for activities across Vision Pro using Voice Control. If input from both eyes is not an option, visionOS also allows eye tracking with one dominant eye.”

So yes, it works with only one dominant eye, or no eyes if you happen to not have any.
Congratulations. After a over decade of lurking here, your comment finally convinced me to create an account for the sole purpose of saying that this, what you said at the bottom, “… it works with only one dominant eye, or no eyes if you happen to not have any” is the single stupidest thing that anyone has ever said on the internet. That’s not even close to what the press release says or even implies with the most liberal interpretation.

“Sure, let me strap this $3k thing to my face with my my zero working eyes because some person on an Apple discussion board said it will work for me” is wonderful advice for those with vision impairments. It’s called the Apple Vision Pro. Vision. You need at least some working form of that for this product to function for you at all.

“It works with… no eyes if you happen to not have any.” I’d love to see the logic behind how that would possibly work.
 
Congratulations. After a over decade of lurking here, your comment finally convinced me to create an account for the sole purpose of saying that this, what you said at the bottom, “… it works with only one dominant eye, or no eyes if you happen to not have any” is the single stupidest thing that anyone has ever said on the internet. That’s not even close to what the press release says or even implies with the most liberal interpretation.

“Sure, let me strap this $3k thing to my face with my my zero working eyes because some person on an Apple discussion board said it will work for me” is wonderful advice for those with vision impairments. It’s called the Apple Vision Pro. Vision. You need at least some working form of that for this product to function for you at all.

“It works with… no eyes if you happen to not have any.” I’d love to see the logic behind how that would possibly work.
Congratulations on being you.

Whether or not you can visualize why someone would, it's literally a legal requirement for all Apple OSes including VisionOS to be fully usable if you have accessibility needs like vision impairment. The same features which let it work with extreme impairments make it very usable with moderate physical or cognitive impairments. Macs, iPhones, iPads, Apple Watches, Windows, and Android all have extensive accessibility features which even work for the blind.

So if you would love to know how that works, do some basic Googling instead of creating an account with the sole purpose of being a jerk about accessibility.

PS. Why do you think the blind have less common sense than the sighted?
 
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