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Apple Announces Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro for iPad With Subscription Models

Aleh said:
Finally pro apps on iPad this is unbelievable 😭
Now get Blender in there too please
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Some form of Blender, but Cycles or Evee would make it run so hot the M2 would damage the pixels on the screen that is just a few milimeters on top of the processor.

These Logic Pro and FCP apps will be cut down versions. Logic will have less instruments and probably many VSTs won't be ported if they are really ram and processor hungry.
 
ElectricPotato said:
When canceled, you lose access to the app. That is the biggest hook. There is nothing in the subscription/rental/you-own-nothing model that requires vendors to improve their product.

You might hope that they do. Maybe they will. It would be a competitive advantage IF they did. But the big hammer is access to the app, even if neglected for years. Given Apple's history of letting some products rot for years between updates, a rental fee is a hard sell.
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The point is that ongoing revenue makes that division self sustaining, which promotes ongoing development.

The motivation for updates is that users can leave and go to other apps if your app development stalls hurting its future prospects. Apps that get their revenue upfront have little motivation to continue development once they hit a critical mass of users and few new users regardless of improvements.

$400 upfront is prohibitive to many amateurs so they use iMovie and other free tools on the market. $49/year is very fair given that this is professional level software used by movie and tv studios. It'll get new users on board and maintain development of the platform. As a photographer/videographer myself who paid the $400 for the Mac app, I'm excited what this means for Apple's pro apps.
 
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StellarVixen said:
It's not mine nor anyone else's fault that your bread and butter is something that you made 10 years ago without putting in any further effort in trying to make your product more appealing for new customers (Logic for Mac has been pretty stagnant for years).


Tech industry was built on single time purchases and then someone suddenly decided "it's not good enough anymore"? Yeah, right. What's wrong with Microsoft's Office model (they offer both subscription and one time purchase models)?
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I used to pay $1,600+ yearly on Adobe Creative Suite Master updates. It never was a one time payment really. Want new features? Got to get the new Creative Suite!
 
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Haiku_Oezu said:
$4.99 is basically nothing and I’m sure whoever is doing work with these can afford it, but it just kills me to see Apple jump on the subscription bandwagon…
I’d rather them find a way to implement paid upgrades on the App Store, I don’t want every piece of software I use to be a subscription.
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How much would you be willing to pay per year to upgrade a $400 app?
 
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msackey said:
Do you mean changing subscription fees? Like 49.99 for this year's renewal and then next year it's 59.99? Yeah, that would be terrible.

I don't understand why a wealthy company like Apple needs a subscription model. It's not needed to sustain their resources.

Reads to me this is all about greed. A neoliberal capitalist way to continually monetize everything and make all exchanges and procedures be about a monetary transaction.
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Just like they do in the App Store when the UK, Norway and others had a 20% uplift in prices.
 
O.N.Y.X said:
I keep reading this argument whenever there is a discussion about subscription based payment.

Looks like devs worked for free before subscription models existed, and somehow they survived.
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No they didn’t? Adobe for example from version one to Creative Suite 6 I believe had yearly paid upgrades. I paid for them, roughly $1,600 a year at the end. So no, devs got a cut on-going too.

Office 2003 to 2007 to 2010 to 2013 to 2016 until I moved to subscription all costs money to update. There was never a time where something like Office 2003 was the last version pay once and get 12+ years of new features without paying anything more.
 
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HELL FROZE OVER

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The subscription model is the bane of consumers. One more reason to stick to a 'full' computer like the MacBook.
 
vjpulp said:
Funny how everybody is talking about this subscription mode without knowing what the software actually will do.
If it's as good as the desktop version, than it's a bargain. If it's a broken down version like i.e. Adobe Illustrator for iPad with limited functionality, then that's another thing.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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I'm thinking the same.. Our band has a very large collection of recordings. If I'm able to just move our archive of Logic Project Files over to like a OneDrive folder or an iCloud Drive shared folder, and then all of us in our band can use our iPads & MacBooks to Edit these same projects? That's totally worth the $50 a year. I'm sold. But if it's just kinda geared towards making beats and stuff like that, not really core audio or maybe automation? Ehhh
 
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Ethosik said:
No they didn’t? Adobe for example from version one to Creative Suite 6 I believe had yearly paid upgrades. I paid for them, roughly $1,600 a year at the end. So no, devs got a cut on-going too.
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But you also had the choice to upgrade. Industry I work with are notorious for staying on older versions of Adobe apps because of the DAM systems they use. You also had issues with reflow.
 
nathansz said:
mainstage on ipad is something I can see being useful
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Absolutely, no announcement for it though.
Or even just logic itself can be used in a live environment without too much problems.
Not a huge deal to use the libraries directly from it (if it is going to be the full version)
 
vjpulp said:
Funny how everybody is talking about this subscription mode without knowing what the software actually will do.
If it's as good as the desktop version, than it's a bargain. If it's a broken down version like i.e. Adobe Illustrator for iPad with limited functionality, then that's another thing.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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It could just end up like Stage Manager. 🤦🏻‍♀️ but I like to stay positive.
 
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Lounge vibes 05 said:
This is just incorrect, Finalcut used to be a service from which you had to purchase an update every time they released one.
Going from FinalCut Pro 5 to FinalCut Pro 6? That wasn’t free.
Same with going from FinalCut Pro 6 to FinalCut Pro 7.
Then in 2011, they released FinalCut Pro X… and killed paid upgrades with it, along with frequent updates.
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Louder for the people in the back! 🙌🏼

Are people complaining that they have to pay for Final Cut Pro at all? It was never free. Would you rather pay $400 upfront? $49/year gets you the app for 8 years with ongoing improvements or you can pay $5/month and stop and start at any time if you're not a full time user.

For pro users who already love FCP, this is a big win for the platform. It makes the pro app division self sustaining which can bring it back to continuous development. We may even get Aperture back if this works out for Final Cut and Logic.
 
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Asbow said:
But you also had the choice to upgrade. Industry I work with are notorious for staying on older versions of Adobe apps because of the DAM systems they use. You also had issues with reflow.
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But devs still had ongoing cash flow for those that did upgrade. The whole “worked for free before” is the part of the statement that’s wrong.
 
O.N.Y.X said:
I keep reading this argument whenever there is a discussion about subscription based payment.

Looks like devs worked for free before subscription models existed, and somehow they survived.
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Wrong example. In the past, you had software that would drop support/OS support after after a few years, then have to pay several hundred dollars for a new version. Office was the perfect example.

Apparently people want one-time purchases that get updated in perpetuity, for a low price.

Also, Apple would prefer low-barrier-to-entry to try the software. Getting folks to fork over $400 for an iPad app will be a challenge. But $5 makes sense, especially if you decide you don't like it and prefer your existing workflow. Or if you only need it for 3 months.
 
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