Apple Announces Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro for iPad With Subscription Models

[Lounge vibes 05]

Sure, go on about "Steve Jobs said..." while ignoring the fact that it was all in relation to a personal music library, not first-party audio/video creation/editing apps...

Steve Jobs also said "Nobody wants a stylus", but the Apple Pencil is now a very useful thing...

Remember, Steve Jobs, above all, was a salesman, saying whatever drove the current narrative for various hardware/software sales...

Also, Steve was correct, MP3 rental services from 2003 were absolutely awful.
And trying to even slightly compare them to the current subscription services in the world of high-speed data is ridiculous.
You had to download the MP3 to your MP3 player and it usually had some weird expiration protection on it so it wouldn’t play correctly and they were low quality, and you were usually limited to something like five-ten tracks a month.
Steve was right, it was robbery.
But also, Final Cut Pro in 2003 was over $1000. If you told someone back then that they could have access to it for five bucks a month, they’d think you were joking.
Even iLife in 2003 (iMovie, iPhoto, etc) was around $100, today, those just come built-in.

 

[moonwalk]

Also, Steve was correct, MP3 rental services from 2003 were absolutely awful.
And trying to even slightly compare them to the current subscription services in the world of high-speed data is ridiculous.
You had to download the MP3 to your MP3 player and it usually had some weird expiration protection on it so it wouldn’t play correctly and they were low quality, and you were usually limited to something like five-ten tracks a month.
Steve was right, it was robbery.
But also, Final Cut Pro in 2003 was over $1000. If you told someone back then that they could have access to it for five bucks a month, they’d think you were joking.
Even iLife in 2003 (iMovie, iPhoto, etc) was around $100, today, those just come built-in.

Jobs was selling what Apple had to sell then, which amounted to the destruction of the record industry. I still marvel at Apple's slogan: rip, mix, burn. He was a pirate. Apple was positioning itself as being on the side of the little guy. That's what's changed, not the times. Today, Apple is a big corporate entity that wants to milk you as a consumer for all it can get, while, yes, still trying to capitalize on the hip, counter-culture coolness that Jobs once represented.

In these economic times, I'm fighting every company I deal with for $5 or $10 at every turn. It adds up. I'm canceling whatever services I can. And I'm not renting software from Apple.

 

[Mac_tech]

You are already renting the current version of FinalCut Pro, read the license agreement.
Apple can revoke your access at any time.

I found the license agreement and read the sections and didn’t see anything about revoking access. Correct me if I’m wrong though.

One could use the current version offline and I assume it would sill function.

I’m sure there are times when one is not connected to thd internet and needs to edit a project.

With Adobe subscription it’s different as the software is always phoning home to verify active subscription.

 

[Boil]

He said nobody’s wants a stylus in reference to an iPhone, not the iPad. The iPad has a bigger canvas so the stylus makes sense I guess.

LOL, you are correct; and here I am criticizing another poster for using the music/sub quotes out of context...

Regardless, when I get a new iPad Pro the "Nobody want a stylus." quote is getting engraved on the back... ;^p

 

[LightSwitch]

I bought logic X for MAC about 2 years ago so was excited to see this:
1. Not covered by license for current logic users
2. Does not work on my 2018 iPad pro
3. subscription based

Result:
Not so excited. 😢😢😢

Edit:
just read on Apple site that Logic will work on a A12 Bionic chip (So that means 2018 iPad Pro). I am interested again!!!! I love garage band on iPad so this will be even better!

 

[KPOM]

Jobs was selling what Apple had to sell then, which amounted to the destruction of the record industry. I still marvel at Apple's slogan: rip, mix, burn. He was a pirate. Apple was positioning itself as being on the side of the little guy. That's what's changed, not the times. Today, Apple is a big corporate entity that wants to milk you as a consumer for all it can get, while, yes, still trying to capitalize on the hip, counter-culture coolness that Jobs once represented.

In these economic times, I'm fighting every company I deal with for $5 or $10 at every turn. It adds up. I'm canceling whatever services I can. And I'm not renting software from Apple.

Steve Jobs was first and foremost a businessman. He was never “for the little guy.” He had standards, and wanted Apple to be a premium brand. Remember the original iPod was $400, almost $700 in today’s dollars, and all it did was play music. And back then you ripped and burned physical CDs.

 

[b.la]

Usb c hub which supports power, hdmi, usb A and audio jack.

At that point, I may as well be working on my Mac. I want to use it while mobile, on a plane, on a train etc.

 

[b.la]

If you are using Logic Pro, in most cases your device is going to be connected to an audio interface.

That’s quite the assumption. If I’m using Logic Pro on an iPad, I’ll be on the move and will not be using an audio interface.

 

[moonwalk]

Steve Jobs was first and foremost a businessman. He was never “for the little guy.” He had standards, and wanted Apple to be a premium brand. Remember the original iPod was $400, almost $700 in today’s dollars, and all it did was play music. And back then you ripped and burned physical CDs

No, Steve was a self-described salesman (and a consummate bs artist). He has this great exchange with a hostile crowd, I think about his killing opendoc, where he responds that he doesn't care about the underlying tech, that he has to sell to people something they need. He cites the example of the first time he saw the printout from the first LaserWriter. He made like he was holding out the laser-printed page. 'I knew I could sell that,' he says. You can pretend to be a businessman and pretend to run a business all you want, but Steve knew he had to sell something people wanted if he wanted to stay in business.

All you guys who want to a pay endless lease fees for rentware, fine. I want to be buried in a rented tuxedo, for that matter. This will be a good day for LumaFusion. Luma is already a very capable video editor on the iPad. What now will Luma's sales pitch be: 'Buy it once and own it forever.' Lots will think different and buy that. Wait and see.

 

[alfonsog]

I'm curious why you have subs for both Finale and Sibelius. I've always preferred Sibelius, but haven't tried them recently.

I've used Sibelius since version 1.0 (I still have the hilarious manual). I also keep Finale updated because it's more a standard for publishing, at least for my friends who have publishing companies, and I had to learn it in college. My one quite old friend still uses SCORE which is insane for his Erickson Editions. Sibelius is faster for me to do quick arrangements, notate handwritten parts, and I supposed actually compose. I have lots of scores in both formats. I even own Dorico but I haven't learned it completely yet. I actually compose with pencil and score paper to start, with pencils, t-square, and rulers I still have left from my freshman engineering graphic design class (I was in the last class with manual drawing before the university switched to cad in 1992!)

 

[moonwalk]

delete

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

The day has finally come…

 

[svish]

Great to hear that the apps are coming to iPad. Disappointed that Final Cut Pro is available only for M1 and newer models. A one time purchase option should have been made available.

 

[mdriftmeyer]

This is Tim Crook Apple though and through. Seed the subscription model into every element possible.

Innovation at Apple these days is working out how to get more money from the customer, not make new/better products.

Right, because Apple Silicon wasn't innovation

 

[ChrisA]

...All you guys who want to a pay endless lease fees for rentware...

This is a PROFESSIONAL software package and you guys worry about $50 per year? If it were a hoby, maybe $50 is out of budget, but this software is designed to pay the rent.

The bigger problem is the screen size and performance. FCP and Logic are software apps that drive sales of Mac Pro and Mac Studio.

 

[deevey]

By the company offering a single license option. Problem solved.

Firstly you do realize in this case "the company" is Apple.

Secondly jailbreaking would not help - unless you mean sideloading? (which still would not help in this instance).

Fair enough. I am not saying that the iPad versions will not be helpful in doing secondary tasks, but the whole hype is just too much. Let's be real and wait for a real review from someone that makes money from Pro Apps..

Oh you mean "These" pro apps.

There's plenty of folk who already make money on other pro apps (Affinity, Resolve, Cubasis and so on) why would these particular pro apps be any different?

Theres already been a ton of people in this thread who've outlined use case scenarios to integrate them in their professional workflows, many of which are in the field.

 

[KPOM]

Great to hear that the apps are coming to iPad. Disappointed that Final Cut Pro is available only for M1 and newer models. A one time purchase option should have been made available.

At the same time, the M1 is truly a desktop-class chip. iPads with it should have desktop-class software.

 

[KPOM]

This is a PROFESSIONAL software package and you guys worry about $50 per year? If it were a hoby, maybe $50 is out of budget, but this software is designed to pay the rent.

The bigger problem is the screen size and performance. FCP and Logic are software apps that drive sales of Mac Pro and Mac Studio.

I think the pricing reflects that these will by and large be apps marketed to hobbyists and those using the iPad as a secondary device. They can make edits on the fly but won’t necessarily be using the iPad as a sole device.

 

[macduke]

Bunch of people crying in the comments. IDK how many pros will pay for an iPad app, but compared to the Mac app which is $299, $49/yr seems pretty good. That's paying for it over six years, and during that time you kept getting all the latest features and performance improvements. Not much money for people actually working in video.

Most of you complaining about the subscription price have never paid the standalone price either. And a lot of workplaces like paying for the subscription vs. standalone because they can easily predict their costs over time and everyone is on the current version. For instance I have Adobe Creative Cloud but my work pays for it. The job I had before this paid for it. And the job before that. Haven't paid for Adobe CC in a long time, since back when I was doing freelance work.

I work more with design and photography, so I won't be buying this, but I don't think this is bad. I've worked with video before, and have worked with team members who shoot, edit and produce video content, and this expense is nothing compared to everything else they have to buy and rent all the time.

 

[Mac... nificent]

This is a PROFESSIONAL software package and you guys worry about $50 per year? If it were a hoby, maybe $50 is out of budget, but this software is designed to pay the rent.

No, this software is designed to give you professional results! That is why professionals gravitate towards it, but no law states that non-professionals can also use it to get those same professional results. That's like saying you must be Mario Andretti if you want to buy a sports car...

 

[Boil]

I, for one, welcome our new Subscription Overlords...! ;^p

 

[Big Jobs]

ULTRA P'O'd here YO - I bought Logic this morning, what happens to new purchasers of Logic or Final Cut when Apple announces subscription services for the Mac OS versions of Logic & FCP @ WWDC in less than 30 days from now - huh....... what THEN... bloody Apple.... Tim......I am HAPPY to take YOUR MONEY EVERY MONTH bwahahahahahaha!!!

 

[Mac... nificent]

I guess that means Apple will be bringing Motion to iPad Pro soon too

 

[moonwalk]

This is a PROFESSIONAL software package and you guys worry about $50 per year? If it were a hoby, maybe $50 is out of budget, but this software is designed to pay the rent.

The bigger problem is the screen size and performance. FCP and Logic are software apps that drive sales of Mac Pro and Mac Studio.

And in 10 years, as Steve Jobs reminded us 20 years ago, that’s $500, and in 20 years, that’s $1,000 — for a $300 app. No thanks. I’ll find something else.

 

[moonwalk]

No, this software is designed to give you professional results! That is why professionals gravitate towards it, but no law states that non-professionals can also use it to get those same professional results. That's like saying you must be Mario Andretti if you want to buy a sports car...

Actually, no. Apple has been steadily boobifying its apps. This move may signal that Apple is positioning Final z it for social media, and an end to FCP as an app for professionals,