Apple Announces Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro for iPad With Subscription Models

[Lounge vibes 05]

These exact same comments about missing features and being garbage software were made when FinalCut Pro X first launched and didn't have every single feature FinalCut Pro 7 had before it.
It was missing simple things like Multi-cam support, and people were mad.

Professional Video Editors Weigh In on Final Cut Pro X

More tips on using Final Cut Pro X, Apple’s new video-editing software.

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Also, given that logic has cross compatibility between the Mac and iPad versions, I would expect that to come to FinalCut eventually. It’s like people forget software can be updated.
First iPhone didn’t have copy and paste, remember that.

 

[Choco Taco]

These exact same comments about missing features and being garbage software were made when FinalCut Pro X first launched and didn't have every single feature FinalCut Pro 7 had before it.
It was missing simple things like Multi-cam support, and people were mad.

This isn't the same thing. Sorry.

 

[Mac... nificent]

We still don't have pro apps. That's the problem. They released bastardized, gimped versions of the desktop apps. You can't even go between desktop and iPad with FCP. One way only. Ridiculous. You can't use external storage as an editing medium. It took them a million years to release this and it's a pathetic release. Meanwhile, DaVinci lets you go back and forth between the iPad and Mac as well as being able to edit from external storage.

They probably would have been better off calling it GarageBand Pro, or iMovie Pro.

 

[Choco Taco]

They probably would have been better off calling it GarageBand Pro, or iMovie Pro.

At this point, that would seem more fitting.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

This isn't the same thing. Sorry.

How is it not?

This isn't the same thing. Sorry.

Explain then?
It was missing multi camera editing support, it was missing plenty of file format compatibilities, it was missing tons of plug-ins that people needed… And it was not cross compatible with the previous version. If you opened the project in FinalCut Pro X, there was no way to get it back to FinalCut Pro 7.
It made tuns of noise, and it would take months and months before people were finally happy with the features once Apple added them back.
The only difference here is that… It happens to be on the iPad. That’s literally the only difference, it is on the iPad.
And yes, people were saying exactly what you’re saying right now about FinalCut Pro X when it launched. It was frequently called “iMovie+” by people who didn’t like it, because it had more in common with iMovie then it did previous versions of FinalCut.
Even if the iPad version was feature for feature completely the same as the Mac version, people wouldn’t be happy.

 

[Choco Taco]

How is it not?

Explain then?
It was missing multi camera editing support, it was missing plenty of file format compatibilities, it was missing tons of plug-ins that people needed… And it was not cross compatible with the previous version. If you opened the project in FinalCut Pro X, there was no way to get it back to FinalCut Pro 7.
It made tuns of noise, and it would take months and months before people were finally happy with the features once Apple added them back.
The only difference here is that… It happens to be on the iPad. That’s literally the only difference, it is on the iPad.
And yes, people were saying exactly what you’re saying right now about FinalCut Pro X when it launched. It was frequently called “iMovie+” by people who didn’t like it, because it had more in common with iMovie then it did previous versions of FinalCut.
Even if the iPad version was feature for feature completely the same as the Mac version, people wouldn’t be happy.

Lacking features isn't the issue. Not being able to edit between platforms is the issue. They can add features over time. Not being able to edit between platforms is just pathetic. It makes the iPad app essentially worthless for any sort of serious workflow. This is supposed to be their professional tier software. And yet you can't use it in a professional environment like DaVinci. It's inexcusable. They should have just waited to release it.

 

[petvas]

This thread right here shows it was never about Final Cut coming to iPad. That wasn’t gonna make them happy. The whole “iPad is not a real computer until it has pro apps!” Pro apps show up “screw this! I hate subscriptions! $5 will make me go bankrupt on my $2k machine!”

Every year we get another thing marked off the checklist for iPad that we always ask for. External support. Hard drive support. Now we have pro apps. There’s always something to complain about. There will always be a segment of the population that will never accept iPad as a real tool that people can use because it doesn’t fit their traditional use of a computer

No, we don't. We get a half baked version of what people thought they wanted.
Stage Manager is not what it should have been. Just have a look at what the critics had to say about it.
We never got true multitasking. Only half baked solutions..
We still cannot have multiple browser engines on the iPad. Chrome, Edge and other browsers must use Safari's engine.
The Pro Apps are also not on par with their desktop counterparts.
The subscription thing is not the problem here. I am sure that Final Cut Pro on the Mac would never cost 5$/month as a subscription. It would be much more than that. Do you want to know why? It's because that the desktop version is much more capable.
The iPad wants to enforce a new computing paradigm and I am really fine with that. What I don't like is the feature and functionality regressions we have when using an iPad. Some people don't care about that and love their iPads. Others (like me) do care and hate the whole experience.

 

[NEPOBABY]

That's great for you. I'm glad you can baselessly shut down because of some weird defense of Apple instead of actually taking people's thoughts into account whose livelihood depends on workflows that make actual sense. You can be lost all you want. I really couldn't care less. It doesn't change the fact that you can't edit from external media in FCP or edit projects back and forth between Mac and iPad seamlessly like DaVinci Resolve. These aren't opinions. This is the state of the iPad app that was announced. I'm not an audio engineer so I can't speak on the state of Logic, but at least with Logic, you can do two way edits between the Mac and iPad. If they don't fix this, it's going to be DOA for a lot of people.

I no longer believe in the reliability of Apple's software based on my own very long experiences and the very obvious trends in the complaints on forums.

On the bright side Apple still produces software far better than most of their competition.

However, the en********ation of the tech sector is clear and if trends continue bugs will get worse, reliability will get worse, we will be tied in to subscriptions and have less consumer rights because of the duopolies and oligopolies that exist in the space. It has made them lazy and careless.

If we have big issues they will just blame us. We have seen this over and over again.

Macs shipping with popping speakers - your fault or the random machines fault, not the engineers. Funny, speakers never popped like this so often before 2018.

HomePods with unstable streaming playback and popping - your fault because it is the design of your home has "interference". Funny, there has been no improvement in wireless streaming since over 10 years. Now it is just less reliable and less interoperable. No my home doesn't have "interference". Streaming to HomePods from a Mac or iPhone just sucks.

My current M1 Max crashes a few times a week in sleep mode. Can't wake the Studio Display because of it. Have to unplug it all and do some kind of hard reboot to make it all work again.

2023. This is what we have in 2023.

Don't get me started on the software coming out of Adobe these days. It stinks so bad that we are locked into subscriptions when the software barely introduces something useful every year and you have to keep your fingers crossed that the next update doesn't have worse bugs than the current versions.

Now they pitch "AI". Sorry, fix your buggy **** first before putting more buggy **** on top.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

Lacking features isn't the issue. Not being able to edit between platforms is the issue. They can add features over time. Not being able to edit between platforms is just pathetic. It makes the iPad app essentially worthless for any sort of serious workflow. This is supposed to be their professional tier software. And yet you can't use it in a professional environment like DaVinci. It's inexcusable. They should have just waited to release it.

Again, the exact same thing was said about FinalCut Pro X when it first launched. Because it didn’t have compatibility with FinalCut Pro 7 or exporting of several very popular formats.
The backlash was so bad Apple had to start offering refunds…

Apple Issuing Refunds for Final Cut Pro X Upon Request

While Apple may be working to quickly add new and restored features to Final Cut Pro X, EOSHD reports (via The Next Web) that Apple has begun issuing...

www.macrumors.com

Just read the comments on that article for a feel of how people were taking it.
And people wonder why it’s a subscription service now…

 

[Choco Taco]

Again, the exact same thing was said about FinalCut Pro X when it first launched. Because it didn’t have compatibility with FinalCut Pro 7 or exporting of several very popular formats.
The backlash was so bad Apple had to start offering refunds…

Apple Issuing Refunds for Final Cut Pro X Upon Request

While Apple may be working to quickly add new and restored features to Final Cut Pro X, EOSHD reports (via The Next Web) that Apple has begun issuing...

www.macrumors.com

Just read the comments on that article for a feel of how people were taking it.
And people wonder why it’s a subscription service now…

Yes, I remember that nightmare. And in that way, it's similar. And the trend continues. Which is why I jumped shipped from FCP to DaVinci. I won't even touch Adobe Premiere with a 40 foot pole either as it crashes constantly. And yes, I do wonder why they're charging a subscription for a half-baked product that isn't ready for the market. The subscription isn't going to make their fumbling any less fumbly.

 

[Choco Taco]

I no longer believe in the reliability of Apple's software based on my own very long experiences and the very obvious trends in the complaints on forums.

On the bright side Apple still produces software far better than most of their competition.

However, the en********ation of the tech sector is clear and if trends continue bugs will get worse, reliability will get worse, we will be tied in to subscriptions and have less consumer rights because of the duopolies and oligopolies that exist in the space. It has made them lazy and careless.

If we have big issues they will just blame us. We have seen this over and over again.

Macs shipping with popping speakers - your fault or the random machines fault, not the engineers. Funny, speakers never popped like this so often before 2018.

HomePods with unstable streaming playback and popping - your fault because it is the design of your home has "interference". Funny, there has been no improvement in wireless streaming since over 10 years. Now it is just less reliable and less interoperable. No my home doesn't have "interference". Streaming to HomePods from a Mac or iPhone just sucks.

My current M1 Max crashes a few times a week in sleep mode. Can't wake the Studio Display because of it. Have to unplug it all and do some kind of hard reboot to make it all work again.

2023. This is what we have in 2023.

Don't get me started on the software coming out of Adobe these days. It stinks so bad that we are locked into subscriptions when the software barely introduces something useful every year and you have to keep your fingers crossed that the next update doesn't have worse bugs than the current versions.

Now they pitch "AI". Sorry, fix your buggy **** first before putting more buggy **** on top.

Yes, macOS has hiccups. But compared to the type of hiccups I've endured on Windows, the rare issues I have on the Mac are welcome. I know how to maintain Windows and PC hardware, but I don't want to spend half the day doing so when something arises. Computer issues are frustrating in general, but unfortunately, they are not platform specific. They plague all computer hardware. It just shouldn't happen as much on the Mac since they have a much tighter control on both hardware and software. And you know ... the fact that they're a multi-trillion dollar company.

 

[cupcakes2000]

We still don't have pro apps. That's the problem. They released bastardized, gimped versions of the desktop apps. You can't even go between desktop and iPad with FCP. One way only. Ridiculous. You can't use external storage as an editing medium. It took them a million years to release this and it's a pathetic release. Meanwhile, DaVinci lets you go back and forth between the iPad and Mac as well as being able to edit from external storage. The iPad is a real tool. I edit professional video projects on the iPad in DaVinci Resolve constantly. It's the full app and I can go between my Mac and the iPad without any issues. You'd think Apple could at least compete on a level playing field with their native apps compared to third party apps. The garbage they just released is not worth a subscription.

You haven’t even seen the releases apple are proposing. It’s preposterous that you’re slating something the this extent when you have only even known about for a few days, let alone actually used it.

Meanwhile whilst saying there are no pro apps, you go on to commend a pro app that you use on the iPad.

It’s hilarious. More so becuase whilst davinci on the iPad is excellent - it certainly isn’t the full desktop app as you claim, it’s missing several modules. And to get even all of the features of the modules it has, you have to pay 95 quid more!

So what’s the difference? Apple that’s what. And that’s what your post is about. Nothing of substance at all. Just “apple arghhhhhh….. “

 

[Choco Taco]

You haven’t even seen the releases apple are proposing. It’s preposterous that you’re slating something the this extent when you have only even known about for a few days, let alone actually used it.

Meanwhile whilst saying there are no pro apps, you go on to commend a pro app that you use on the iPad.

It’s hilarious. More so becuase whilst davinci on the iPad is excellent - it certainly isn’t the full desktop app as you claim, it’s missing several modules. And to get even all of the features of the modules it has, you have to pay 95 quid more!

So what’s the difference? Apple that’s what. And that’s what your post is about. Nothing of substance at all. Just “apple arghhhhhh….. “

Thank you for this completely and utterly empty and pointless post. Please stop blindly defending Apple. Some of us have real work to do. Believe it or not, people are allowed to be upset at Apple when Apple does stupid things. You aren't the opinion police. I don't know what "apple arghhhhhh….." is. I exclusively use Apple products for my business because I find them to be a significant tier above the rest of the industry. But Apple still does dumb things. And we're allowed to complain about those dumb things when those dumb things arise.

 

[cupcakes2000]

Thank you for this completely and utterly empty and pointless post. Please stop blindly defending Apple. Some of us have real work to do.

I’m merely saying what it is. You’re slating an app you have never seen or used 🤷‍♂️ good one! I’m sure your ‘real work’ is excellent.

 

[Choco Taco]

I’m merely saying what it is. You’re slating an app you have never seen or used 🤷‍♂️ good one!

I'm slating an app that has been made known that it can't edit between Mac and iPad seamlessly while delivering a subscription model. It can't edit from external media either. These were my complaints. These are known issues already. I don't need to have used this app to recognize these glaring issues. FCP can't be used in a professional setting in any capacity in its current state and it's subscription based. I don't have the problem here. You do.

 

[cupcakes2000]

I'm slating an app that has been made known that it can't edit between Mac and iPad seamlessly while delivering a subscription model. It can't edit from external media either. These were my complaints. These are known issues already. I don't need to have used this app to recognize these glaring issues. FCP can't be used in a professional setting in any capacity in its current state and it's subscription based. I don't have the problem here. You do.

Getting personal! I love it.

I use davinci on the iPad and the mac. I doubt Final Cut on the iPad will be something I use, considering I’m all good on that front. I think I will use logic though - for a bit of fun but also to help with the sound of the various video productions I do.

I’m not a videographer by trade, I’m a photographer. But I do shoot a substantial amount of video in a professional capacity.

Now you know something about me, the fact still stands, use the app and say what you like. Don’t stand there and spout second hand and potentially inaccurate ‘information’ as if it’s true. Very few people have used this app, and there is next to nothing about it that I would consider reliable anywhere. Plus regardless - a first release is a first release. The fact of that matter is chuntering on and on about how terrible an unreleased app that you haven’t even seen, says quite a lot more about you than about me.

 

[Choco Taco]

Getting personal! I love it.

I use davinci on the iPad and the mac. I doubt Final Cut on the iPad will be something I use, considering I’m all good on that front. I think I will use logic though - for a bit of fun but also to help with the sound of the various video productions I do.

I’m not a videographer by trade, I’m a photographer. But I do shoot a substantial amount of video in a professional capacity.

The fact still stands though, use the app and say what you like. Don’t stand there and spout second hand and potentially inaccurate ‘information’ as if it’s true. Very few people have used this app, and there is next to nothing about it that I would consider reliable anywhere. Plus regardless - a first release is a first release. The fact of that matter is chuntering on and on about how terrible an unreleased app that you haven’t even seen, says quite a lot more about you than about me.

Annnnnnnd ignored.

 

[smulji]

At this point, that would seem more fitting.

If Apple called it GarageBand Pro or iMovie Pro, Apple wouldn't be able to charge a subscription

 

[Boil]

...seven day demo...

It is a one month trial...

Before we go any further maybe it would be a good idea to define what a "Professional" is.

Oh man, not this again; there was a huge kerfluffle over "what's a Pro?" awhile back in one of the Mac Pro threads...!

 

[Mac... nificent]

You haven’t even seen the releases apple are proposing. It’s preposterous that you’re slating something the this extent when you have only even known about for a few days, let alone actually used it.

There's this new thing out called "reviews"

Plus Apple has already said certain pro features won't be supported.

 

[Choco Taco]

There's this new thing out called "reviews"

Plus Apple has already said certain pro features won't be supported.

Shh ... don't spout logic and sense.

 

[Mac... nificent]

Oh man, not this again; there was a huge kerfluffle over "what's a Pro?" awhile back in one of the Mac Pro threads...!

Sorry, didn't know

 

[avkills]

My thoughts on the iPad is that Apple never got any of it right from the start. The very first iPad should have been able to double as a drawing tablet with the Mac straight out of the box.

I don't think I will ever trust my professional career with Apple apps again. They completely lost me at FCP X. Adobe is damn near getting just as bad.

Once we slow down a bit I am going to give Resolve a serious look because I am tired of excuses and useless features being added to software instead of fixing what we already have and boosting performance by doing obvious things such as GPU compute and such.

Apple is about as pathetic as they get when it comes to GPUs. All I've heard every keynote is how damn important graphics processing is yet here we are. Perhaps Apple has a surprise for WWDC but I am not holding my breath.

The only reason Apple Silicon is competitive in the editing field is the hardware encode/decode.

 

[Choco Taco]

Once we slow down a bit I am going to give Resolve a serious look because I am tired of excuses and useless features being added to software instead of fixing what we already have and boosting performance by doing obvious things such as GPU compute and such.

Resolve is absolutely amazing and you'll never look back once you switch. Their free version does a LOT of things, so you can definitely toy around with it before making any decisions.

 

[cupcakes2000]

Annnnnnnd ignored.

😂

There's this new thing out called "reviews"

Point me to all the serious reviews that aren’t just previews please as I have been unable to find a good under the hood one. Thanks in advance.