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95% of Smartphone use is Instagram, Facebook, WhatsApp, Snapchat, TikToc, etc., Those are novices. They aren't computer professionals. They are narcissistic seeking image influencers selling out to brand other 3rd party junk on these visual feeds.

Their not office professionals working with Databases, large matrix spreadsheets used for real-time data collection, producing technical publications for companies from legal professionals, software manuals, etc.

They are consumers==Novices.

They're not in applied science fields of engineering, chemistry, physics, etc., using their smartphones with their jobs. They are consumption based time wasting portable handheld systems to keep you tethered to Current Events.
Those are some pretty nasty judgments of other people who just happen to not live their lives the way you think they ought to.
 
Adobe products are the definition of upsetting workflows. Every update seems to break something. I won’t miss that. Photoshop and Illustrator I still use because I haven’t found any good alternatives, although Affinity is making great strides in that department, though I don’t feel it’s quite good enough yet. Hopefully soon. I’d love to ditch Adobe completely.
I think the broken workflows they introduced themselves are less upsetting than learning entirely new products, but I agree with the rest 👍🏽
 
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A pro editing software that can add VALUE to my business and only costs $5 or the equivalent to a large drink at a fast food place? Yeah. I’ll pay that. Happily. Especially when considering Final Cut for mac has always been $300.
You're comparing $300 (actual) pro desktop software to what? An iPad app that is missing many pro features? LOL. The iPad app should have been free for all desktop version owners. $29/yr max. It's missing way too many pro features. Features that other iPad software like LumaFusion have out of the box... and it cost $30 for life. Once Apple adds the missing features then they could raise the price to $50/yr - but not until then.
 
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You're comparing $300 (actual) pro desktop software to what? An iPad app that is missing many pro features? LOL. The iPad app should have been free for all desktop version owners. $29/yr max. It's missing way too many pro features. Features that other iPad software like LumaFusion have out of the box... and it cost $30 for life. Once Apple adds the missing features then they could raise the price to $50/yr - but not until then.
Yeah. I don't know what value the iPad app in its current form has for any business. It's trash.
 
I know a LOT of people who have stopped using Adobe. Look at their stock, it continues to drop.
Not sure if that's correct or if stock prices are an indicator of usage. I think Adobe started the subscription model 2011-2012 which is where you would think it would start dropping, but it actually started going up continuously since the start of the subscription model. Adobe stock peaked during COVID and fell after COVID (lots of tech sales spiked during COVID then fell afterwards). Currently it's on a rough upward trend again. I don't think their falling stock has anything to do with disgruntled customers rather a return towards the norm after COVID. Their stock is still higher than before COVID.

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Not sure if that's correct or if stock prices are an indicator of usage. I think Adobe started the subscription model 2011-2012 which is where you would think it would start dropping, but it actually started going up continuously since the start of the subscription model. Adobe stock peaked during COVID and fell after COVID (lots of tech sales spiked during COVID then fell afterwards). Currently it's on a rough upward trend again. I don't think their falling stock has anything to do with disgruntled customers rather a return towards the norm after COVID. Their stock is still currently higher than before COVID.

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So Adobe isn’t burning. Well darn.
 
This has been what they’ve historically done: dumped the superior desktop product to backport the inferior iOS product.
Which products are you thinking of or are you being sarcastic? Off the top of my head I can't think of an app that existed on the Mac and iOS that was then discontinued on the Mac. I'm not disagreeing, I'm genuinely curious. :)
 
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So Adobe isn’t burning. Well darn.

Trust me, I'd rather subscription business models fail, unless of course I was on the benefitting end of it. ;). The reality of the situation is some people are ok with subscriptions and some aren't, depending on their perspective/ needs. Everyone is different so they're not going to all agree.

My personal perspective is I personally feel that the subscription model benefits developers more in the end. That being said, I feel that they should offer a low-cost subscription, and a perpetual license for a higher price with 1 year free updates. This way they can keep both camps (generally) happy.

Overall, I don't think we can completely pass judgement on iPadOS FCP/LPX because it hasn't been released yet. It's almost like saying you hate a food without trying it first. :)
 
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We collectively can't organise that level of united militancy. If we could there wouldn't even be any wars because literally no solider wants to fight, they want to be at home making memories with their family and friends. They're each only fighting because the other side is fighting. If both sides said 'kcuf it we're not doing this anymore', downed arms and walked away, what could their country's generals do? Imprison them all?

Remember the great words of Hopper in Bugs Life: "Those puny little ants outnumber us a hundred to one, and if they ever figure that out, there goes our way of life! It's not about food, it's about keeping those ants in line."
‘We collectively can't organise that level of united militancy.’

You’re right! That’s it, man, game over! We’re just powerless consumers!

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed individuals can change the world. In fact, it's the only thing that ever has." - Margaret Mead
 
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Disagree. If you go back and watch Steve Jobs' iPad keynotes (iPad 1 and iPad 2), he nailed the positioning. A device that sits between a smartphone and a Mac and is better at certain key tasks than both of them. Not a netbook but better than a netbook (this is what he compared the iPad to in the first keynote). This is where the iPad shines and this is still the vast majority of use cases for the iPad. It allows the iPad to be the "computer for the rest of us" and the Mac to be a tool for professional use.
Well, kinda. Jobs was selling something. The history of the iPad was tied to the development of the iPhone (and iOS). Steve was mostly interested in one thing: the finger. Steve spoke endlessly about the simplicity and the naturalness of using one’s finger to point. How nobody liked using a stylus. Steve was giving us the finger. As it turns out, in more than one way.

Steve Jobs often said things with double meaning. At one event he simply explained Apple’s simple strategy. “Apple on your desktop. Apple in your pocket.’ Apple is certainly in everyone’s pocket now.
 
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… but many of us aren’t earning literally any money at all using it. Want to make that some kind of character flaw or accept that there’s a huge contingent of people who like to be hobbyist musicians who will find this subscription thing to be the exact opposite of why they have been using Logic & Apple products in the first place?

This is another example of a corporation chipping away at the value they once presented, which earned them customers, just to appease the Wall Street pathology. It’s not like Apple or the others are suffering, financially.
I think “pro” normally implies professional product that people use to make money out of. It’s essentially B2B software really and you buy it based on what you can make from it.

I think historically hobbyists (people that don’t make money from things) tend to want similar quality to people who need the best equipment to make money. And there’s where it all gets a bit weird. The “prosumer” category. Prosumers are far more price sensitive than actual pro users because for pro users value is easy to determine. For prosumers it’s more about a feeling than money.
 
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Well, Native Instruments has been dragging their heels with Apple Silicon and Ventura support. Their most robust and useful product, Reaktor, has issues there, and they’ve seemingly not been maintaining their development and general expertise while being taken over by vulture capitalists… Then there’s anything owned by InMusic, the vulture of vultures, where they care more about obstructionist antipiracy tech than existing users, usability, and compatibility…

NI are a nightmare with updates, I love them to bits and own all their gear, but they're perpetually a year or more behind with support and updates for macOS. But this can often be said about most of the music industry too - which is why most musicians are often many years behind on macOS updates (and times can't update at all due to some legacy hardware).

The entry level needs to be very simple to get AU's running in Logic Pro on iPad - so simple that you should be able to copy them over from the Mac and just have them work - it should support the exact same AU standard without the need to install apps from the App Store.
 
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Wow interesting. Adobe creative suite must be in trouble too huh?

I had to call one of my friends that works with Final Cut professionally and ask him if Final Cut down the line turned subscription if he would abandon it and go to something else. He laughed at me and said not a chance.
Adobe is de dominant player in the sector. FCP is in a different position. Surely you know that.

When you are the underdog, you have to be competitive.

Anyway, all this is academic, I very much doubt apple will move pro software to subscription.
 
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I guess I should have been more specific,

As in where are you getting the “a year” from

It’s a one time purchase

That’s the whole point
I assumed that they released major updates to the software yearly, and charged a single purchase for each new major release, like a lot of other software does. I didn’t realize that they’ve been on the same major version “Final Cut Pro Version X” for several years. If they go back to releasing a new major version every year, then I would expect they will probably start charging single purchase for those. Like Final Cut Pro Version 11 will likely be another single purchase, Version 12, etc. Or they’ll move to a subscription system like with the iPad versions. But either way you cut it, if you wanted to have up-to-date software every year, and they charge for each new major version every year, like Version 11, Version 12, etc. then you’d have to use 1 version at $300 for over 6 years before you’d be saving any money over going with the subscription pricing for the iPad apps. Software Devs need to be paid for their work, and $50 a year is not unreasonable at all. I really wish an app like Shapr 3D would provide a basic subscription option at this price point, because I would likely buy it then.
 
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