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You can still use FCS, while you watch to see what improvements/capability come to FCPX in the coming weeks and months.

I'm optimistic but I think that seeing something that soon will be unlikely.

However, just going with your train of thought maybe there was some error with a part of the software that meant that it wasn't good for release in June so they released it without some of the functionality so as to comply with their release date promise.

This version seems very similar to April preview yet I remember reading (Larry Jordan?) that a lot had changed since that version?
 
I think you are being too literal with the posts. I think when people are saying "you can't do anything with this" they are referring to its lack of advantages over FCP7 and therefore FCS3.

Then instead of "you can't do anything with this", people should write "I can't do anything with this".

It's even shorter. :)
 
Troubling

Many troubling comments. Did Apple really screw it up this bad?

My issue is the importing of earlier job files. Without that, FCPX is completely DOA. Too many client jobs that have to be referred to. This is just a business decision, don't care about bells and whistles if the serious pro capabilities aren't there.

Also, some commenters seem to be people who don't make money with this software and don't work in the biz with real world workflows - not to be mean to you guys, but if you don't have multiple jobs running with serious deadlines you don't understand what the griping is about. You really don't and should try to comprehend why the pros are not happy (at least, not yet).
 
Hold on, EDL isn't really necessary to do what I said. There are many editors who haven't used EDL for a decade now. Maybe I'm confused but I'd ask for a second opinion on this.

A decade? That's not the case in the feature film world or the broadcast commercial world (though I'm sure there are some exceptions). EDLs and change lists are still widely used in both of those workflows.
 
FCP 7 is widely used because it has deck support, supports EDL's OMF's XML.

The bad:
You can import from iMovie, but not FCP7 (You are prompted to import from iMovie when you first fire it up).

There doesn't appear to be a PDF manual (just a help file)
It appears to do a lot of stuff in the background automatically. I swear I saw the colours on a clip change without me doing anything (there is a background tasks panel that shows what's going on but I didn't keep it open).

There are "presets" in the colour tool like "moonlight" and "sewer". There's also the famed "magic auto color balance" (so I guess that's all you colourists out of a job then).

Most of the icons are different from FCP7, as are the menus. So a bit of a learning curve there.

There is no support for decks. At. All. You can import HDV/DV/etc. but apparently not any grown-up tape formats.

The good:

It seems very fast.

So as I said what is the point, why did they not call it iMovie Pro. Rather than kill a great editing system!

RIP FCP!!!
 
Many troubling comments. Did Apple really screw it up this bad?

My issue is the importing of earlier job files. Without that, FCPX is completely DOA. Too many client jobs that have to be referred to. This is just a business decision, don't care about bells and whistles if the serious pro capabilities aren't there.

Also, some commenters seem to be people who don't make money with this software and don't work in the biz with real world workflows - not to be mean to you guys, but if you don't have multiple jobs running with serious deadlines you don't understand what the griping is about. You really don't and should try to comprehend why the pros are not happy (at least, not yet).

I don't recall Apple telling you that you HAVE to upgrade to FCPX - it's optional, and you can very well continue using FCP7 or less, noone cares. For some people, their starting point for FCP purchases is from FCPX onward, and they do not have a history with the software.

Apple are not obliged to give you backwards compatibility, this is a whole re-write of the suite; take it or leave it and continue as you were. You didn't have a problem with FCPX before release, so all you're doing is creating one for yourself, and getting all het up. If you don't like it, move to Adobe PP or another system. Again, noone cares.

Apple are a forward thinking company, not a backward thinking one. They leave legacy in for as long as possible, but the crux of it is, that they are a business, and they have to change things SOMETIME, no matter whether that time is wrong for you or not, it will be the perfect time for many, MANY others.

Honestly, do people expect legacy support to continue forever?
 
Yeah....
Add me to the list of users that will stick with FCP7 for now. While FCPX appears to be streamlined, it seems that the streamlining is by taking away a lot of the depth and functionality of FCP and gearing more towards the simplicity of iMovie.

I like simplicity. I do. But Apple needs to realize that not everything under the sun has to be designed for the casual user.
 
I don't recall Apple telling you that you HAVE to upgrade to FCPX - it's optional, and you can very well continue using FCP7 or less, noone cares. For some people, their starting point for FCP purchases is from FCPX onward, and they do not have a history with the software.

Apple are not obliged to give you backwards compatibility, this is a whole re-write of the suite; take it or leave it and continue as you were. You didn't have a problem with FCPX before release, so all you're doing is creating one for yourself, and getting all het up. If you don't like it, move to Adobe PP or another system. Again, noone cares.

Apple are a forward thinking company, not a backward thinking one. They leave legacy in for as long as possible, but the crux of it is, that they are a business, and they have to change things SOMETIME, no matter whether that time is wrong for you or not, it will be the perfect time for many, MANY others.

Honestly, do people expect legacy support to continue forever?

Forever, no. One version - sure.

And re: "noone (sic) cares"- obviously you do - because you replied.
 
With the app store I'm not given the option to buy it anyway even though I am purchasing a new machine in August.

So why not wait until you get the new machine?

For starters, expect to see more/faster update cycles; when you get it then, you'll have skipped any intervening updates.
 
Yeah....
Add me to the list of users that will stick with FCP7 for now. While FCPX appears to be streamlined, it seems that the streamlining is by taking away a lot of the depth and functionality of FCP and gearing more towards the simplicity of iMovie.

I like simplicity. I do. But Apple needs to realize that not everything under the sun has to be designed for the casual user.

I agree, they should definitely go back to the old ways, and make things more fiddly again. :rolleyes:

Luddites unite! Go back to 1999-style workflows now!!

Forever, no. One version - sure.

And re: "noone (sic) cares"- obviously you do - because you replied.

That "one version" was FCP7, obviously. Apple don't care if you use it or not, get over it.
 
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I agree, they should definitely go back to the old ways, and make things more fiddly again. :rolleyes:

Luddites unite! Go back to 1999-style workflows now!!
I'm not making that statement at all. I'm just saying that not everything has to be a barebones experience.
Geez.
 
Already the top 3 for revenue intake and 1, 3, 8 for paid apps in Spain


In how many hours? :eek:

I sometimes suspect Apple to "fix" those lists, because they always reflect some utopian sales situation for Apple.

-- or there's very very few people buying anything from the Mac App Store in Spain now, so when 50 people bought FCPX it jumped to the top :D

Either way, meh. I'm not impressed - it is of course based off the new and "improved" (ostensibly) iMovie - so it inherits a lot of iMovie look/feel.

Still no proper BD support Apple? On the "pro" software.

People were actually waiting for this? According to what the people here who actually make their living off editing with FCS: no. No one was waiting for *this*.

Though the limitations do explain the "lower" price (is it lower when the features are missing?), consider this; if Apple was entering editing software business *today*, would this offering not be laughed off as a non-serious attempt? Of course it would.

That's a criterium that still applies.
 
That "one version" was FCP7, obviously. Apple don't care if you use it or not, get over it.

No thanks. You can get over people taking issue with it :)

On another note

Can anyone confirm a review I read on iTunes that says that it's hard/impossible to allocate where files go now (render, project, asset) If so - that's frustrating to hear since that implies that Apple is moving more towards the iOS "method" of file structure - i.e. while making it easy for a novice to work, taking away all file structure control from users who want to organize files how THEY want.

Any confirmation from the users on this?
 
Here's a revolutionary idea, and it may solve a lot of tedious whinging:

Use the software, un-biased in mindset, for a few months. Get to know it, allow Apple to bring patches out, allow yourself to adapt to the workflow. Run it ALONGSIDE your older version, and don't make rash judgements based on < 1 days usage.

There is a more terse way to summarise the above suggestions, but I am a polite kinda chap :)

You'll all be haters for a while, until the temptation to whine wears off, and you spend more time using the software than you actually do hovering over forums complaining that the sky is falling in, and Apple are big bad ogres. Maybe some of you will ACTUALLY USE it, for I'm convinced half of you are basing your fears upon gossip alone.

Sheesh, what a place. :D
 
Sweet. So uh, I guess this means Apple won't be releasing anything on physical media ever again?
 
Here's a revolutionary idea, and it may solve a lot of tedious whinging:

Use the software, un-biased in mindset, for a few months. Get to know it, allow Apple to bring patches out, allow yourself to adapt to the workflow. Run it ALONGSIDE your older version, and don't make rash judgements based on < 1 days usage.

There is a more terse way to summarise the above suggestions, but I am a polite kinda chap :)

You'll all be haters for a while, until the temptation to whine wears off, and you spend more time using the software than you actually do hovering over forums complaining that the sky is falling in, and Apple are big bad ogres. Maybe some of you will ACTUALLY USE it, for I'm convinced half of you are basing your fears upon gossip alone.

Sheesh, what a place. :D

So you're complaining about the complainers? Ok - that makes sense.

How about us professionals speak our mind because we're on a forum. And guess what - not everyone is going to throw down a few hundred to "play."

Thanks for your charming input.
 
No thanks. You can get over people taking issue with it :)

On another note

Can anyone confirm a review I read on iTunes that says that it's hard/impossible to allocate where files go now (render, project, asset) If so - that's frustrating to hear since that implies that Apple is moving more towards the iOS "method" of file structure - i.e. while making it easy for a novice to work, taking away all file structure control from users who want to organize files how THEY want.

Any confirmation from the users on this?

I know clips will be put by default in the Movies folder of your User. Not sure about renders or the project.
 
No thanks. You can get over people taking issue with it :)

On another note

Can anyone confirm a review I read on iTunes that says that it's hard/impossible to allocate where files go now (render, project, asset) If so - that's frustrating to hear since that implies that Apple is moving more towards the iOS "method" of file structure - i.e. while making it easy for a novice to work, taking away all file structure control from users who want to organize files how THEY want.

Any confirmation from the users on this?

After furthur review of the manual (http://help.apple.com/finalcutpro/mac/10.0/#verb6acba30)...

When you create a new Event or project, folders for the new item are created in one of two places:

•If the new Event or project is on your local system: The folders are in your Movies folder in your home folder (/Users/username/Movies/). This is the default location for your Final Cut Pro files.

•If the new Event or project is on a connected external storage device: The folders are at the main, or root, level of your device.

When you create a new Event on your local system, a folder is created for the Event:

/Users/username/Movies/Final Cut Events/Eventname/


The [Event name] folder can contain one or more of the following folders. The contents of these folders depend on the options you selected during import or in the Import preferences.

•Analysis Files: This folder contains the analysis files that are used and managed by Final Cut Pro, and thus should not be moved, modified, or deleted.

•Original Media: This folder contains either the original files that you imported from your camcorder or hard disk or alias files that point to the original files in another location.

•Render Files: This folder contains the render files associated with the media files, and thus should not be moved, modified, or deleted.

•Transcoded Media: If you chose to create optimized or proxy media, the transcoded files that were created are located in this folder.

Similarly, when you create a Final Cut Pro project, a folder is created for the project:

/Users/username/Movies/Final Cut Projects/projectname/


The [project name] folder contains the following items:

•Project file: The Final Cut Pro project file has a .fcpproject extension. The project file is used and managed by Final Cut Pro, and thus should not be moved, modified, or deleted.

•Render Files: This folder contains the render files associated with the project, and thus should not be moved, modified, or deleted.

Tip: To quickly locate the source media file for a clip, select the clip and choose File > Reveal in Finder (or press Command-Shift-R). You can also Control-click the clip, and choose Reveal in Finder from the shortcut menu.
 
As a colorist, I can't believe they discontinued Color. The "key features" moved over to Final Cut Pro is not a replacement. Looks like it's back to DaVinci for us.
 
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