It can? I haven't heard word one about that, including mention in the FCP X Manual.
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It can? I haven't heard word one about that, including mention in the FCP X Manual.
So what you are saying is that we should listen to a bunch of people talk about this app, who haven't used this app?
It was written on this thread. I haven't tested it myself, since I haven't bought it, so can't vouch for it but someone wrote it.
Here found it:
I'm not seeing the logic that Apple's release of a software program that doesn't yet have every key feature means that they don't "get it." Someone asked if Apple had just blown it; I doubt that is the case. What is clear based on abundant statements from those in an around Apple is that they have fielded the program but that it will take time for it to be refined.
Larry Jordan, the "expert" who has had weeks to play with it, likes the program but also says that the .0 release isn't going to be making Oscar nominees right out of the box. This is not a mistake--Apple has released the program this way on purpose, for better or for worse.
As a rank amateur I think it's a big step forward, but I don't make my living off of it. The questions I have for professionals are:
1. If you were given the choice between a fully refined FCX with every feature developed in lengthy beta testing 18 months from now, ready to edit Spielberg pics out of the box, or a fully refined FCX 10 months from now that has been in public release for a while but took some time to get every feature included, which would you take?
2. If you were to, eventually, upgrade your professional software to a full-featured FCX, would you upgrade on Monday and drop your footage into it and start deadline-critical work on Tuesday? Or would you take some time to learn it while slowly transitioning from FC7? If you took time to transition, would it be valuable to you to have an early copy to learn even if that copy does not yet have the features you need, if they are coming?
3. Is saying that you won't change over now because it's missing features really the same as saying you'll never change over if those features arrive?
It seems to me that the missing features issue will be corrected. I don't think it's a condemnation of FCX that professionals won't be jumping on the bandwagon right away. I think that's just good sense. In my own work I prove my concepts before I adopt them--to jump in blindly would to be invite trouble.
Larry Jordan, the "expert" who has had weeks to play with it, likes the program but also says that the .0 release isn't going to be making Oscar nominees right out of the box. This is not a mistake--Apple has released the program this way on purpose, for better or for worse.
As a rank amateur I think it's a big step forward, but I don't make my living off of it. The questions I have for professionals are:
1. If you were given the choice between a fully refined FCX with every feature developed in lengthy beta testing 18 months from now, ready to edit Spielberg pics out of the box, or a fully refined FCX 10 months from now that has been in public release for a while but took some time to get every feature included, which would you take?
2. If you were to, eventually, upgrade your professional software to a full-featured FCX, would you upgrade on Monday and drop your footage into it and start deadline-critical work on Tuesday? Or would you take some time to learn it while slowly transitioning from FC7? If you took time to transition, would it be valuable to you to have an early copy to learn even if that copy does not yet have the features you need, if they are coming?
3. Is saying that you won't change over now because it's missing features really the same as saying you'll never change over if those features arrive?
It seems to me that the missing features issue will be corrected. I don't think it's a condemnation of FCX that professionals won't be jumping on the bandwagon right away. I think that's just good sense. In my own work I prove my concepts before I adopt them--to jump in blindly would to be invite trouble.
So what you are saying is that we should listen to a bunch of people talk about this app, who haven't used this app?
For someone that likes semantics so much - you're awfully quick to pull out a straw man argument (or rather try to attribute a thought or sentiment which I clearly did not express).
So let me throw it back at you. Are you saying I can't possibly comment on the fact that there's no multicam support unless I've bought the program? I can't add my opinion on the fact that my previous FCP projects cannot be used by the current version. Things like that?
I don't think you are. I don't think you're that silly. I do think YOU are now trying to be "cute."
"So what you are saying is that we should listen to a bunch of people talk about this app, who haven't used this app?
"Hmmmmm
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He speaks for me... Its not suitable for a shared environment, for fast turn round editing, interfacing with EVS systems etc etc etc etc. Great for those who work on their own I guess.....
Both is correct. I was cute, not trying to be, but my point stands. Without using the app, you can most certainly judge it, by the information you get from others who have used it, or by the official information out. Multicam support is one of them.
But you have to realize how much wrong information will be put out by people who haven't used it, and were iterating something they heard from someone who heard from someone else.
Just right now, it's already happening. Someone "claimed" with 100% certainty that this program does not support XML, and someone else said that you can export old FCP 7 project as XML and FCP X imports them.
Now, one of these people have not used this app. Guess which one?
"So what you are saying is that we should listen to a bunch of people talk about this app, who haven't used this app?
Hmmmmm
How do you know that the poster who I quoted did not use the app? I added in my comment that I don't have first hand knowledge on this, just to be careful. So your post doesn't make sense. It wasn't my judgement, I quoted, and said that I'm quoting someone else.
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Actually the person who made iMovie, he did it for himself to edit his family videos (quickly)
Eh yeah... that was kinda the base of the joke...
p.s.
Just noticed: page 18 and not a single FFF thing has been added to the discussion since page 2
Yes it is missing stuff, no there is no multicam, yes you don't have to buy it, yes we know you can switch to avid/premiere whatever, yes we know you can read and correct people. And yes they dumped color.. omfg!
GRREAT!! So anyone got anything actually new to contribute or?!?!
Eh yeah... that was kinda the base of the joke...
p.s.
Just noticed: page 18 and not a single FFF thing has been added to the discussion since page 2
Yes it is missing stuff, no there is no multicam, yes you don't have to buy it, yes we know you can switch to avid/premiere whatever, yes we know you can read and correct people. And yes they dumped color.. omfg!
GRREAT!! So anyone got anything actually new to contribute or?!?!
Do we know if they dumped Color? Has there been official word on this? Maybe it'll come later.
You quoted me.
P.S. I notice that most of your posts are posed as questions. Is this a way to deflect stating an opinion which can be argued? It's easy to just reply back "but but but.. I was asking. I wasn't stating"
Hmmmmm
No I quoted LemonsofDeath. He was the one who said that importing old Final Cut files through XML export is possible. Check page 17.
I don't know if "most" of my posts are questions. Some are. Have you actually counted them and decided that most were questions? Not trying to be cute, I also wondered if I ask questions that often.
Edit: About stating opinions, I usually don't do it, whether or not asking questions is a way of doing that, possibly, but a much simpler way is just not giving opinions to begin with. Stating facts is always simpler and cleaner. And when I give my opinion I emphasize that it's my opinion and not a fact. I spend a lot of time on discussion boards, not just macrumors, or not just computer related boards. Pretty much anything I'm interested in, and in many years I've learned to tread very carefully in discussions since boards are filled with people who love to misrepresent your arguments, who will misunderstand you if you are not clear and who will try to get you just for fun and not for the discussions sake.
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No - you quoted me: see below
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Originally Posted by samcraig
So you're complaining about the complainers? Ok - that makes sense.
How about us professionals speak our mind because we're on a forum. And guess what - not everyone is going to throw down a few hundred to "play."
Thanks for your charming input.
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So what you are saying is that we should listen to a bunch of people talk about this app, who haven't used this app?
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Let's start from the beginning.
I said:
"So what you are saying is that we should listen to a bunch of people talk about this app, who haven't used this app?"
Then you repeated this to me when I quoted someone who said something about XML imports.
You repeated this to me because you wanted to imply that since I haven't used this app, which I indicated in my post, why should anyone listen to me.
Then I said that it wasn't my judgement and I only quoted someone else.
Then you said that I quoted you.
Can you see the mistake?
Yes I quoted you, I quoted you maybe dozens of times in this thread today, but when I said "I quoted", that obviously wasn't your message but LemonsofDeath's.
Has this been confirmed? Doesn't sound possible based on other peoples input.
That basically summarizes every single page 1 news thread here.
)))For actual discussions you gotta go to forums.
No clue, but since he says "it's not perfect but works pretty well" it sounds like he tried it himself.
Yes. Again you missed my tongue in cheek sarcasm. That was the mistake. No worries
I fail to see any tongue in cheek in your post. Another mistake?
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A half hour? Wow... It's hard to judge something when you don't know what you are doing.
Yeah but he doesn't say he'll delete it, he says he'll install 7 again, he can keep playing with FCP X on the side.
Already the top 3 for revenue intake and 1, 3, 8 for paid apps in Spain
In how many hours?
Still tops in the US but man is it taking a pounding review wise!
I don't know how a product which was released couple hours ago can get actual reviews so soon. This is not an iPod. And I don't think Apple gave away the beta to that many people for early reviews.
You don't understand. There's not a single project myself or the editors i work with could have done in the past four years that Final Cut Pro X is capable of achieving today. Without deck control, timecode-based batch capture, the ability to access older projects, or the ability to export OMF and EDL files, the program is essentially unusable for any paying job. There's no workflow adaptability, and no way to try it for a few months because no project myself or the editors I know work on could be started and/or completed in this software as it stands today.
From what I've read elsewhere, Final Cut Pro X has no idea what an XML file is; it can neither create or read them. There's no way to get an edit in or out of Final Cut Pro X.
Given that you don't contribute much besides "Nah nah nah... Apple does no wrong", not really sure anyone cares?