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So basically the Mini 4 is a bit faster than the Mini 2.

Not really a big reason to upgrade imho. I stay another year with Mini 2 and hope the new iOS next week will bring some improvement.
Well, not exactly. Camera, anti-reflective screen, touch id, but all that might not matter much. Not a real bad upgrade, but I don't get why it's not on par with the latest iPhone.
They really don't give us a big reason to upgrade within their own product line. Looks like an opening for Samsung and MS.
 
They should have...iPad mini, iPad Air, and iPad Pro.
And for Macbooks...MacBook (12"), MacBook Air (13"), and MacBook Pro (15")
And for phones...iPhone mini (4"), iPhone Air (4.7"), iPhone Pro (5.5")

Simple.
You forgot: Mac Mini, iMac and Mac Pro.
 
In the web of apple says an A8 processor not an A8X processor.
1Gb of ram again?
No split view?
I was under the impression that the split view was OS dependent not chip dependent (although the OS won't work on some older chips).
I'd be stunned if Apple put out a main stream device (not iPT) that didn't support split screen.

Anyone notice the Pro doesn't even get the new camera that the iPhoneS got? Don't know what Apple is up to, but the decision is not as 'simple' as Apple was in the past... Too many choices and it'll be hard to NOT look at choices from other vendors.

As an app developer, this is not a good sign. Fragmentation was (still is) a BIG problem for Android, now it's becoming an issue with Apple. Keep it simple.
 
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iPad mini continues to get no love from Apple. None.
I'm starting to get the feeling it's there to compete on the lower end, but that lower profit margins comes with it, so that while they want it there to avoid competitors to gain strong foothold in the low end, they prefer to not actually sell it more than the Air or Pro. I think they have mixed feelings about that one. :p
 
Well, not exactly. Camera, anti-reflective screen, touch id, but all that might not matter much.

Small details. I chose Mini 2 over Mini 3 because I don't needed the touch id. Anti-reflexive screen is a small upgrade, but I find the screen of the Mini 2 quite fine.

And camera... I believe tablets don't need a camera at all. I never used mine except for a quick test if it is working. Your miles may vary, of course.

So finally it comes to the better processor. Which is of course a real advantage of the new Mini.
 
So basically the Mini 4 is a bit faster than the Mini 2.

Not really a big reason to upgrade imho. I stay another year with Mini 2 and hope the new iOS next week will bring some improvement.
I'm sticking with my 2 until the 5, but if I were to jump now, it would be to get multitask and the 2gb that enables it.


I Anyone notice the Pro doesn't even get the new camera that the iPhoneS got?.
I can't recall a phone that wasn't better than the pad of the same gen, in the camera department. I attribute it to phones costing more while being smaller. Aka, phone is the phlagship!
 
I'm sticking with my 2 until the 5, but if I were to jump now, it would be to get multitask and the 2gb that enables it.



I can't recall a phone that wasn't better than the pad of the same gen, in the camera department. I attribute it to phones costing more while being smaller. Aka, phone is the phlagship!
That seems to point to a marketing tool for Apple: Apple wants you to buy BOTH... They side step the "in between" product that might do both jobs, so they can sell you two things instead of one.

Interesting that when the Nexus 7.2 came out it was touted as just about there, one device that was almost the right size because it could be in a pocket.

Part of the risk for Apple is that people will chose the iPhone over the iPad and they sell much fewer iPads than they would otherwise. This is actually what's happened as pads have dropped in sales. In addition, many have taken the "wait and see where this is going" because they know the update time is about 1 year.

Soon Apple might be in a spot where they must decide when they've caught enough fish with the one net and move over to the next net or stop fishing.
 
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I'm starting to think they have too many products. Should be 1 mini, 1 Air and 1 Pro. This is plain confusing. Similar issue with the MacBook lineup.

Also with OSes. tvOS, Mac OS, Watch OS, iOS.

Keep it simple Apple.

You run a business yourself? It's all about the money. And that is legitimate. A lot of people can't or do not want to afford the latest devices, especially kids at a younger age or people in the brick states. Nothing wrong with that.
 
I thought it would include the 2GB and the same chip (A8X) as the iPad Air 2 but it doesn't.
Only the processor has been upgrade a bit (A7 > A8).

I will stick with my iPad mini2 for now.
 
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Mini 4 does support SplitView, so I think it has 2GB of RAM. But the most important thing for me is the multitasking support.
Source: apple.com :)
 
I'm starting to get the feeling it's there to compete on the lower end, but that lower profit margins comes with it, so that while they want it there to avoid competitors to gain strong foothold in the low end, they prefer to not actually sell it more than the Air or Pro. I think they have mixed feelings about that one. :p

Personally, I think Apple thinks people are buying them for their toddlers and small children. It's obvious they don't care to market this thing.
 
Personally, I think Apple thinks people are buying them for their toddlers and small children. It's obvious they don't care to market this thing.

If that's the case, these execs have been filthy rich for way too long and have forgotten what it means to be a regular Joe with an average job.

No one in their right mind would buy a $400 tablet for toddlers and small children, not as the principal reason anyway.
 
That seems to point to a marketing tool for Apple: Apple wants you to buy BOTH... They side step the "in between" product that might do both jobs, so they can sell you two things instead of one.

Interesting that when the Nexus 7.2 came out it was touted as just about there, one device that was almost the right size because it could be in a pocket.

Part of the risk for Apple is that people will chose the iPhone over the iPad and they sell much fewer iPads than they would otherwise. This is actually what's happened as pads have dropped in sales. In addition, many have taken the "wait and see where this is going" because they know the update time is about 1 year.

Soon Apple might be in a spot where they must decide when they've caught enough fish with the one net and move over to the next net or stop fishing.
You make excellent points. For arguments sake, let's break this down.

Say customers are buying less pad because it's a year behind (with a lower price). They can 'see' what's coming in the phone, decide it's worth the wait (like say 3d touch or like I did with the stylus) and still buy but delayed.

So Apple comes to their senses and puts pad on parity with Phone. Now pad has all the goodies when the phone does and there's no delays. But pad also costs $100-200 more. There's a big initial rush because now we've got two years ahead instead of one year ahead on, the next generation. But the year after that and the year after that, the steps are smaller again. And the price doesn't go back down. This would be like buying an iPad mini 4 in 2013 for $600.

The question is, are pad sales slowing because pads are a step behind or are pad sales slowing because pad sales are naturally slow. Put another way, are people more willing to upgrade their phones every year because they wear them and not pads because they don't? I only upgrade either every 2 to 3 years so I'm not the best example.
 
Okay I'm glad they haven't ditched the Mini but wow!!!! The Mini got one sentence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "IPad Mini 4 will be the current iPad Air 2 in 'Mini' form" -
That's it?! Ugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There's something lackluster and .... Disappointing about it. Like reaching for an ice cold beverage and it's a little flat.
It's not how many sentences the Mini got but what was said. If it is true that the Mini 4 is the current iPad Air 2 in Mini form then (in the words of Donald Trump), "That is Yuge!" :)
 
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You make excellent points. For arguments sake, let's break this down.

Say customers are buying less pad because it's a year behind (with a lower price). They can 'see' what's coming in the phone, decide it's worth the wait (like say 3d touch or like I did with the stylus) and still buy but delayed.

So Apple comes to their senses and puts pad on parity with Phone. Now pad has all the goodies when the phone does and there's no delays. But pad also costs $100-200 more. There's a big initial rush because now we've got two years ahead instead of one year ahead on, the next generation. But the year after that and the year after that, the steps are smaller again. And the price doesn't go back down. This would be like buying an iPad mini 4 in 2013 for $600.

The question is, are pad sales slowing because pads are a step behind or are pad sales slowing because pad sales are naturally slow. Put another way, are people more willing to upgrade their phones every year because they wear them and not pads because they don't? I only upgrade either every 2 to 3 years so I'm not the best example.

IMO, the market is mixed, those that can do what they want with one device (iPhone) and don't need the iPad. Those that want/need both. This is because the iPad is not really a true mobile device like the iPhone is. Even with phone in the mini, it's still not the same type of mobile device because of the size.

When you go somewhere, you grab something that's not cumbersome. The largest iPhone is on the edge of cumbersome whereas the mini w/phone service is close to the edge of being too large.

How many of your pockets can fit a mini? This was one of the big points of the Nexus 7.2, it could fit many more pockets.

Apple has to realize this, so the market for mobile business users is much smaller than regular users.

Another issue here is what's next. Apple knows that it's more important that they be the last phone/pad you buy when the devices have all the stuff people want.

Ask yourself, what would the iPhone 7 have to have in order for you to dump the 6s+? How much better would the cameras need to be?
How much faster would the CPU need to be?
How much larger would the screen need to be without being too large?
How much more battery life, how much thinner?

At some point, the upgrades slow and that's when Apple's HUGE cash flow slows.

In business, the holy grail is high margin / reoccurring revenue, Apple doesn't have that in their product line for much longer. Stocks are based on future sales/profits, how's that look for Apple?

Remember the computer sales became razor thin margins after a while, even top end servers had limited sales.

I'm using the same computer for about the last 5 years with no plan to upgrade, no compelling reason to, it was a rocket ship when I bought it and it's still working great for my needs.

If Apple is smart, they'll focus on high end/high volume enterprise apps. I can't see them replacing the iPhone level sales with TV or watches.
 
It's not how many sentences the Mini got but what was said. If it is true that the Mini 4 is the current iPad Air 2 in Mini form then (in the words of Donald Trump), "That is Yuge!" :)

That's true. I'm still excited! I'm still going to buy one! I love the Mini! Bigger than the phone but small enough to carry in my coat pocket. Awesome size. I hope they never get rid of it.
 
I'm actually really pleased with this iPad mini update; perfect? of course not - good enough to upgrade? I definitely think so.

I had an ipad 2 and 3 and liked a lot but the moment I got the iPad mini 2 I fell in love with the size and form factor - was perfect for keeping in my pocket, throwing in my bag, reading 1 handed on the tube and also I travel a lot and only take carry on luggage so rmbp/ipad air is too bulky/heavy for travel (for me). (think the iPad air is perfect for home usage)

But having tried the original iPad mini the iPad mini 2 was just a tad too heavy and bulky compared to the feel of the original iPad mini or air 1/2 and in comparison the screen (colour gamut) was lacking.

But now (fingers crossed) the screen/colour gamut is the same or much more similar, it's lighter and I can get it with 128gb.


Would I have loved the A8X or A9 processor and touch - of course, but not sure I would have loved the extra cost or weight for the battery to support it, so therefore I'll be very happy to upgrade now with the likelihood that apple will upgrade the iPad air next year and the mini the year after.

The iPhone is the flagship product which will always keep the premium upgrades to be handed down to to the iPad eventually but for now if I have improved screen and colour gamut with lighter weight in a form factor I love I'm going to be very happy and this will be the 'perfect' (for now) iPad for my usage.
 
If Apple is smart, they'll focus on high end/high volume enterprise apps. I can't see them replacing the iPhone level sales with TV or watches.


You'd be surprised my friend! The future holds so many surprises.
Who would have thought the iPad would've been invented. I didn't! I said it would just be a fad and would flop hard and it's useless. Now they're everywhere.

I can see the Apple Watch just getting better over time. I can see I being s stand alone device in the future I can see it having cellular service and making phone calls and essentially replacing your phone. Maybe in the near future 5-10 yrs we'll be rocking apple watches and iPads only. Who knows.
 
Does anyone know if there's been confirmation on whether or not the color gamut was improved to put it on par with the iPad Air 2? One website reported that it appears as though it had been while another claimed that it hadn't. If it has I'll definitely be purchasing one but if it hasn't that's a deal breaker. I don't need an A9 or A8X chip but I do care about how the display looks, especially considering how much it costs.
 
Does anyone know if there's been confirmation on whether or not the color gamut was improved to put it on par with the iPad Air 2? One website reported that it appears as though it had been while another claimed that it hadn't. If it has I'll definitely be purchasing one but if it hasn't that's a deal breaker. I don't need an A9 or A8X chip but I do care about how the display looks, especially considering how much it costs.

I have no idea. I didn't know there was a problem with the colour gamut. What was wrong with it?
 
Lolol said every year since Jobs died while Apple stock rose to historic highs.
It IS simple. New product A, budget model A. It's really not that difficult to understand.

Welcome to 1997. Apple is going down. We need a Jobs.
 
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