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I know physical music sales are dropping, but film? Got any figures to back this up with?

Fair question, I can't Google it right now, but I did read a great article just a few weeks ago about DVDs and Bluray dying out within 5 years, I believe it said.

It pointed out that more and more people are going to Netflix, Hulu, and iTunes for media. You have a fair point, I shouldn't have quoted it without sourcing, but I think it is pretty obvious anyway. Eventually Bluray will be out, just like VHS, etc. This last is an educated opinion from someone (me) who has some experience in media.
 
What I like to know from the optical drive users is why they are still using them? You can download everything you need from the web, and with fast internet connections it doesn't take hours anymore either.

The timing for losing the optical drive is about right. Get with the times.

And everyone has access to fast broadband?
Everyone wants "rented media" with kill-switches?
 
Well that would be the only other option. But I would really like to to pay huge premium just for having a smaller size compared to the older version. Have to wait for actual BTO prices though. Then again, where is the sense in a smaller form factor if I now have to add a separate HDD if I want more Flash?

Agree!

The iMac design has to serve two very different customers... a simple AIO consumer who will not need the premium features, and a Prosumer type who needs max horsepower but still wants all the Mac AIO features and doesn't want to go all the way (or in this case retreat!) to a Mac Pro with a separate monitor.

Two add-ons will be essential for me -- a DVD Burner for specific client-requested output, and various external storage options -- some temporary like a mobile HDD, and one big permanent RAID for all media and raw footage files.

Since Mac Pro is sorely lacking in TB and USB3, and is priced so high and requires another outlay for a screen, and is a bigger footprint, it's not an option. And its probably double in price vs a top iMac to get a real performance bump. Maybe the future Mac Pro will solve a lot of this in 2013.

And Apple is putting these units out in a PC market that is NOT growing nearly as fast as their iOS products. So this design may have to stretch well into 2015+.

Apple is vested in iTunes, and iCloud, both are ways to monetize DVD and storage/mobility without including it in the base spec.

If their user surveys show that a CD player is used less than 10% of the time by the vast majority of buyers, then they have been wasting money on the component cost and the weight/shipping costs. These are major profitable savings that will fall to their bottom line, and most customers will not miss it. And serious customers still have an option with the external which apparently is faster than the OEM model.

From a business/marketing perspective, I get it.
 
Touch on OS X? Dream on... Won't ever happen
Never? So why is OS X gradually more and more looking like iOS?
Scrolling is inverted, items in newly (re)designed app's sidebars have become bigger and with wider margins between them, aka more touch-friendly. Just look sidebars in Finder, Messages, the current iPhoto interface as opposed to previous versions, etc. etc...

Apple will never design an OS with Windows 7-like touch features as an afterthought
Exactly - rather than designing it as an afterthought, they are slowly and gradually paving the way for the merger of "OS X with iOS into a new hybrid".
 
It's not running in retina though...

I... don't think you know what retina is.

Retina is just a marketing term. Whether or not a display is 5" or 27", it's still 2560x1440. It still needs the same amount of power in the GPU to run it.

My old iMac, the last gen now, runs a 2560x1440 display at 27".
The new one does too.
The new one has a weaker GPU.

Shouldn't they be getting more powerful, not less?
 
As an owner of 4 or 5 firewire drives, I'm a bit frustrated. I can appreciate thunderbolt and all that new usb 3.0 wizardary, but if you're going to keep it in MacBook Pro's, why remove it from the iMac when you've got so much space for it.

I have to wonder if it has to do with licensing fees - or maybe the added complexity of having two backplanes. But yeah, still annoying. I just checked and the Seagate GoFlex Thunderbolt adapter is still offensively priced - guess I'll live off the adapter for awhile.
 
More expensive? The iMacs are the same price...and I can't remember the last time I've been given any data or software on a disc.

No. Here,it cost abou 1199EUR. Now it's closer to 1300EUR.
The ODD is not a big deal,I can get around it. But if it went away JUST to make the machine thinner, it's dumb, IMHO.
 
I hate to tell you, but Bluray is a dying technology, too. Physical media is on the way out. Just ask Amazon, iTunes, etc.


And it's not good for the consumer...Instead of replacing blu ray and DVD with better physical portable long term storage technology it looks like they're trying to do away with it...
Personally, I'd much rather have control over physical storage that I can access on any device.
 
Oh WOW.
Oh Whoopee.
Be still my pounding heart.

A thinner desktop machine that is only viewed from the front with the thickness invisible and completely irrelevant.

A thinner desktop machine without the essential optical drive that is still a necessary component. Didn't Apple notice Bluray happening?

Oh WOW.
Oh Whoopee.
Be still my pounding heart. I am ecstatic...

Bring back Steve. Apple has lost its way again.

It's only 'only viewed from the front' if you never leave your computer chair. If they're in a public space it matters. Not necessarily super relevant, but it matters to some people.

I'm also not convinced Blu-Ray brings anything most people need on their machine. Don't forget Steve's 'bag of hurt' comment about it, either. Careful what you wish for!
 
If you look at the tech specs on Apples website, the RAM is upgradable on the 27" iMac, just not the 21."

Kind of a bummer for the small model, but all in all I'm very excited and can't wait to get my hands on one! My plan is to save up for the inevitable processor refresh next year... That should give me enough time to save up!
 
I'm normally a pretty big iMac fan, but I gotta say Apple Design and Apple Economics weren't on the same page here. 5400 RPM? embarrassing...

I'd be curious to see studies on whether the improved caching with the SSDs makes the effects of 7200 v. 5400 essentially invisible for most use cases.
 
I... don't think you know what retina is.

Retina is just a marketing term. Whether or not a display is 5" or 27", it's still 2560x1440. It still needs the same amount of power in the GPU to run it.

My old iMac, the last gen now, runs a 2560x1440 display at 27".
The new one does too.
The new one has a weaker GPU.

Shouldn't they be getting more powerful, not less?


Wait wait wait, the new graphics card is weaker?

Dang... I'm hoping for a Mac that can run Star Citizen. :confused: hopefully next year they will update with a better card.
 
Can't believe apple is being so conservative. It looks nice for sure and is so thin it almost defies belief. I thought it would definitely have retina and potentially a touch screen. They should make it so it comes off the stand and you can place it flat on a table like a massively powerful huge ipad! A Music producers dream! Doesn't even have SSD.

In terms of technology it's a poor second to the macbook pro but in large desktop form!
 
Ouch!
Not the price increase I feared, but much worse: the cheapest iMac is now at 1.349 €, 200 euros more expensive than the previous one!!! :mad:

This is the worst price increase we've seen, ever, and the end of an era.
Apple without Steve: definitely in it only for the money.

This was the part that made me cringe.
The existing model was pricey enough, yet they decide to increase it even further.
Ok...
 
Again...This has been explained too many times.....It's not the same as the floppy...The floppy was replaced by superior long term storage technology...And no, usb and sdxc cards are not as good as cd/dvd for long term storage...So until they replace the CD/dvd with a better long term storage solution comparisons to the floppy are irrelevant.

CDs and DVDs are not really designed for long term storage themselves, really. Redundant HDs that are upgraded over time are a lot better - and are really what you're getting by using a cloud service.
 
What I like to know from the optical drive users is why they are still using them? You can download everything you need from the web, and with fast internet connections it doesn't take hours anymore either.

The timing for losing the optical drive is about right. Get with the times.

I use mine for client-requested output of videos and photos for their own use on various devices at their locations. I deliver in USB, Dropbox, and/or CD to several clients, all who are concerned with running their business rather than whether they are "Getting with the times" about media input.

My needs are definitely in the minority, but so what. They are real, and they are profitable. I will buy an external unit for the new iMac, much as I would have preferred and AIO to include one.
 
And everyone has access to fast broadband?
Everyone wants "rented media" with kill-switches?
Not everyone.
But Apple's hardware offerings cater to those who do.
The same people whom their Software offerings cater to.

Apple isn't in the business of selling or renting DVDs and the like, you know?
They are rather in the business of selling of "rented" media and apps over fast broadband connections (iTunes / App store).
 
Yeah, in the picture below they show it running without a power cord! Lies! Shenanigans!!!
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The perspective of the falsified screen image is slightly off, so it is Photoshop in a hurry all the way. Who personally authored that image?

My fave:
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He actually almost apologized for the wifi and acoustic wave "chin". Almost. He spoke of it romantically.

Like when Steve noted the iPhone 1 black plastic panel, but with criticism. Who wants to buy an iPhone 1?

Re-release the 2002 iMac as the new MacPro.

Re-release the Cube as the new Mac-Midi consumer upgradable Mac!
 
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Good luck waiting for the data to read & write via a USB cable.
It'll take you 60-90 minutes to do a complete rip & burn YAWN.

Ill stick to my PC laptop for burning & cd/dvd/bluray drive stuff :)

Yep. You're right. There's absolutely no way an 8x Blu-Ray drive can *possibly* transfer it's 288Mbps (max) over USB 2.0 or 3.0. :rolleyes:

Here's a hint for you. Optical media isn't limited by interface speeds. It's limited by the fact that you can only spin the plastic discs so fast before the manufacturing imperfections cause them to shake the drive to death and/or they shatter.
 
I'd be curious to see studies on whether the improved caching with the SSDs makes the effects of 7200 v. 5400 essentially invisible for most use cases.
Standard configurations for (at least) the 21.5" model seem to come without SSD-like cache.
 
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