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Ugh... really...

You can get a separate optical drive. You're complaining because the stand is the same? really!?? Saying fail and epic fail just makes you sound like a 12 year old.

Defending Apple blindly makes you sound like a. Fanboy.
 
Yep. You're right. There's absolutely no way an 8x Blu-Ray drive can *possibly* transfer it's 288Mbps (max) over USB 2.0 or 3.0. :rolleyes:
I think that maybe you should word the transfer speed of "288Mbps" differently.
It might otherwise be lost on the intended audience (or rather construed as support of the original argument).

;)
 
It seems they use the same SSD Drive/TECHNIC in the imac like in the air models.


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The 27-inch iMac starts with a 2.9 GHz quad-core Intel Core i5, 8 GB of RAM, and a 1 TB hard drive starting at $1,799 and shipping in December

YES!! I wonder when in December ... it better be before the holidays or they will be missing a lot more sale
 
If you look at the tech specs on Apples website, the RAM is upgradable on the 27" iMac, just not the 21."

Probably not. The 21" tech specs says " 8GB (two 4GB) of 1600MHz DDR3 memory ". Two 4GB is extremely likely two 4GB so-DIMMs.

The problem with the 21" model is that you'll probably need to remove the screen and dive in like you are replacing the HDD/SDD drive to get to these DIMM slots. A huge pain to get to but replaceable. Most 21" users will need to pay a service technician to do it. It is upgradable. It is just not a "break out your trusty screwdriver" DIY project.
 
You have some serious comprehension problems if you think he said it was fused shut. :rolleyes:

Yes, the chin and back are now one piece.
Yes, the glass and screen are now one piece.

You'll get at the internals of the new iMac the same way you got at the internals of the old iMac, by popping the screen off the front. Only now, since the screen & glass are fused, you won't end up getting dust between them when you do so.

If they were 'fused shut' *Apple* wouldn't be able to get into them.



Ok. Just wait till ifixit shows you that it is not as simple as popping the screen off anymore. Do you think the whole screen is held on by magnets like the glass covering of the current iMacs?

Wow, you are hilarious.

:rolleyes:
 
I think that maybe you should word the transfer speed of "288Mbps" differently.
It might otherwise be lost on the intended audience (or rather construed as support of the original argument).

;)

You think I should have said 36MBps? Data transfer rates are typically measured in bits, rather than bytes. (It has to do with protocol overheads which can cause a typical 8-bit byte to be represented by 10 or more bits 'on the wire'.)
 
thanks a lot Apple for crippling it for me and making it more expensive. I'm gonna have to scramble like crazy tomorrow to get the 2011 one from wherever I can.

Utterly disgusted that they have the nerve to charge £99 more for something which lacks an optical drive, an extremely slow 5400RPM hard drive and no user upgradeable ram and apparently no FW800 port without an adaptor I have several FW800 devices mainly my time machine backup. :O :O :O :O All for making it thinner, its a desktop. It wouldn't bother me if it was still as thick as a iMac G5 so long as it worked.

I just hope I can find somewhere what still sells the 2011 version, but so far its not been very promising. Everywhere i've looked this evening has been out of stock.
 
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Ok. Just wait till ifixit shows you that it is not as simple as popping the screen off anymore. Do you think the whole screen is held on by magnets like the glass covering of the current iMacs?

Wow, you are hilarious.

:rolleyes:

I'm hilarious to believe that the new iMac's glass is held in place in basically the same way as the old one? Or you're hilarious for assuming they've turned it into one big, hermetically sealed piece that not even Apple can open?

I'm going to guess the latter. :rolleyes:
 
The 2 or 3 inches in extra gained BEHIND the iMac is far less important than the space lost on my desk by adding another box for an optical drive and associated cable and power cord.


Apple is sometimes wrong.

You could probably place the USB powered (1 cable for power and data) SuperDrive on the stand and not lose desk space...
 
What I like to know from the optical drive users is why they are still using them? You can download everything you need from the web, and with fast internet connections it doesn't take hours anymore either.

The timing for losing the optical drive is about right. Get with the times.

Archives perhaps.... When an iTunes library is 120GB and an iPhoto Library is 180GB.... you'll want a backup that won't fail.

As someone who has lost Media before because of a hard drive failure.... I don't trust Hard drives the way I do DVDs and BluRay discs.

The Cloud can only hold so much... I'd prefer a Burner in the new iMac... but I have 2 external burners anyway....

I am dissapointed about the lack of a FW800 port !!
 
And there in lies the problem.

Apple doesn't want us inserting DVD's or CD's into the the thing (to watch. rip or what every) 'cause each time you do it is one less iTunes sale.

Likewise they want you to buy apps from the app store. Not install them of pesky optical medial.

I don't really think this is like when they dropped the floppy drive.

I think this is about apple wanting to keep making that 30% from their on-line stores.

Would they rather I give them $20 for a movie or $2000 for an iMac.
I would never do the former and now I won't be doing the latter either.
 
Since the first iMac they have become thinner every generation. The first iMac was also the first to drop the floppy drive, it seems quite natural that it now drops the optical drive. Spinning media is dying.
 
Again...This has been explained too many times.....It's not the same as the floppy...The floppy was replaced by superior long term storage technology...And no, usb and sdxc cards are not as good as cd/dvd for long term storage...So until they replace the CD/dvd with a better long term storage solution comparisons to the floppy are irrelevant.

Not on the iMac it wasn’t, at least not the first seven versions that shipped with only CD-ROM/DVD-ROM readers. It wasn’t until 2001 that the iMac got CD-R/CD-RW.

More importantly though optical drives for long terms storage have been replaced by superior technology: broadband and the internet.

Optical is a horrible solution for long term backups; inconsistencies in manufacturing of the discs, quality of the read/write heads, storage climate, physical damage, interaction between the ink and glue on the labels acting as corrosive. If everyone were using the old-school gold CDs and storing the finished product in a climate controlled, fire-proof safe sure optical is an okay back-up medium.

In a era of accelerating broadband though optical is a dreadful as a long term storage solution. Constantly backed-up, redundant, off-site storage is cheaper, more efficient, more effective and safer.

I have my data in at least four separate locations:

1) Backblaze (off site, constantly updated, emergency backup) unlimited storage – currently at 2TB
2) Time Machine (local, constantly updated, dumb-ass mistakes)amortized cost of an external HD
3) Dropbox and/or iCloud for current projects
4) Git/SVN repos for current projects
5) Local hard drive

I’ve been burning discs since the mid-90s when burners cost $1000, discs were $10 a pop and the write mechanisms were so delicate if you jostled the unit even slightly your disc was toast (remember Adaptec’s Toast, that’s where they got the name). I have discs that are 20 years old that still read, I have discs that are 5 years old that are useless. It’s totally unreliable as long term storage. Actually worse than the longevity of discs is the fact most of the stuff on those 20 year old discs are completely unusable, try finding a PPC Mac with Director 5 on it. The true threat to digital content isn’t the ability to save it for long periods of time, it’s the ability to read it decades later.
 
I'd be curious to see studies on whether the improved caching with the SSDs makes the effects of 7200 v. 5400 essentially invisible for most use cases.

It may well.

But notice that the entry-level 21.5" model does not and cannot have the hybrid/fusion technology.
 
The only good thing about this update: I now know I am getting the rMBP 15 and a TBD :eek:

imac is no longer the best aio, because it really isn't one anymore.
 
The new iMac is indeed gorgeous. However I wonder how many folks are aware that the Fusion drive isn't exactly a brand new concept. A quick google search revealed several posts on blogs and social media that were lauding Apple for its "innovation" of the Fusion concept, yet I've had a Momentus XT hybrid drive in my MBP for almost two years.

Which Momentus drive has 128GB of flash?

Let's talk about OS-level support for dynamically allocating apps/data between the flash and hardware sides, too.
 
My needs are definitely in the minority, but so what. They are real, and they are profitable. I will buy an external unit for the new iMac, much as I would have preferred and AIO to include one.

Maybe not so much in the minority. There are other reasons for regular use of optical media. For instance, I regularly output files to be sent to printers for the printing of publications. Files far too big to be sent by email.

Such files are ideally written to inexpensive disposable CDs. Printers do not return media.
 
Did they remove the FW800 port too? I have 4 FW enclosures on the floor connected to my 2011 iMac. Guess I won't be upgrading until Thunderbolt prices come down to my level.

Or you get a Thunderbolt-to-FW800 adapter...
 
Not on the iMac it wasn’t, at least not the first seven versions that shipped with only CD-ROM/DVD-ROM readers. It wasn’t until 2001 that the iMac got CD-R/CD-RW.

More importantly though optical drives for long terms storage have been replaced by superior technology: broadband and the internet.

Optical is a horrible solution for long term backups; inconsistencies in manufacturing of the discs, quality of the read/write heads, storage climate, physical damage, interaction between the ink and glue on the labels acting as corrosive. If everyone were using the old-school gold CDs and storing the finished product in a climate controlled, fire-proof safe sure optical is an okay back-up medium.

In a era of accelerating broadband though optical is a dreadful as a long term storage solution. Constantly backed-up, redundant, off-site storage is cheaper, more efficient, more effective and safer.

I have my data in at least four separate locations:

1) Backblaze (off site, constantly updated, emergency backup) unlimited storage – currently at 2TB
2) Time Machine (local, constantly updated, dumb-ass mistakes)amortized cost of an external HD
3) Dropbox and/or iCloud for current projects
4) Git/SVN repos for current projects
5) Local hard drive

I’ve been burning discs since the mid-90s when burners cost $1000, discs were $10 a pop and the write mechanisms were so delicate if you jostled the unit even slightly your disc was toast (remember Adaptec’s Toast, that’s where they got the name). I have discs that are 20 years old that still read, I have discs that are 5 years old that are useless. It’s totally unreliable as long term storage. Actually worse than the longevity of discs is the fact most of the stuff on those 20 year old discs are completely unusable, try finding a PPC Mac with Director 5 on it. The true threat to digital content isn’t the ability to save it for long periods of time, it’s the ability to read it decades later.

My god that was well said. +1 this
 
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