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Apple Announces Mac OS X 10.3 (Panther)

Still on the truck...what to do

After rounds of discussions with Apple OS Update and the reseller, turns out the reseller has a ton of class: JandR. They advised that if I refuse the delivery, I can just redo it in a day and have another 15 pb sent to me, thus qualifying for the panther update.

Now, when the UPS truck rings the bell... what should I do? What will I do?
I don't know myself. 😕
 
As a new owner of a 15" Alu PowerBook, then I should say I wholehearteldy (and selfishly) agree with everyone who feels unfairly treated about the G5 thing. It goes against the whole 'year of laptop' thing of notebooks being just as important, yaddy, yaddy...

Still, yes, fair enough, it wasn't like I didn't know it was coming. And, dare I say it, what am I missing out on? (I'm certainly not going to pay full price to upgrade for a sprinkling of features that Windows had already and I nevre used nefore switching).

Why does Mac OS get updated so often? Apple seem to consider it a selling point that this is "the fourth major relase in just three years" - to me that means they're just helping themselves to £100 from loyal users every 35/40 weeks. Without meaning to start a fight, does anyone else think this is a bit rich?
 
Panther is a worthy upgrade

Panther is a very worthy upgrade 😉

Once the 24th rolls around and people get their hands on it, I think MOST everyone will be impressed with it 😉😉

😎

MM
 
Costs????

Is it possible to put a "cost" on each unit???? I know it is hard on software with all the research and development costs....(actuall production is probably a few bucks a disc).....

Just a curious random question.....
 
Originally posted by chazmox
I really do not know about the legality of the current SW license as most SW manufacturers state it : one license - one machine.

Computers are not legal entities and cannot own anything under the law. However, people are legal entities. Therefore one license per person makes some sense. If you are the only one using the computers then you can install your licenses on as many machines as you want.

I understand that SW manufactures make you accept their license upon installation and could make you accept almost anything ( you must have a corncobb up your a** when using this SW... ) but I think many of the items could be challenged, esp. the one computer - one license.
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i whole heartedly agree with you, lets just say if i didn't get panther for free (mac os up to date thing) i sure wouldn't be buying one copy for that and one copy for the ibook, i was just playing devils advocate. i agree with the legal entity, i feel it should be "on any of your own personal computers, as long as it is for your use"
 
Originally posted by pjhornak
When you buy a set of sheets and want to put them on a different bed in your house should you pay the company who made the sheets a "user fee" for "installing" them on another bed??? Do you get it? Does it seem silly now?
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This is THE most asinine argument for software piracy I've ever read.
 
I ordered a new PB from the on line store on September 16 (got it Spetember 23) and followed the link from the up to date page that allowed me to log in and get the update for $19.95 + shipping and tax ($25.39 total). Anyone who bought around that time may want to try this before shelling out big bucks.
 
Re: Still on the truck...what to do

Originally posted by Romanesq
After rounds of discussions with Apple OS Update and the reseller, turns out the reseller has a ton of class: JandR. They advised that if I refuse the delivery, I can just redo it in a day and have another 15 pb sent to me, thus qualifying for the panther update.

Now, when the UPS truck rings the bell... what should I do? What will I do?
I don't know myself. 😕
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Hide.
 
Originally posted by Lord Bodak
Honestly I think this sucks. The up-to-date program should be the same across the board. Why should a user who purchased a G5 receive an upgrade when a user who purchased a new PowerBook does not?

Of course I knew when I purchased that Panther was coming, and I expected to pay for the upgrade, and if the upgrade program were equal for everyone I probably wouldn't be upset.
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That's probably because for the G5, 10.2.7 is a subpar OS. I gather it is more or or less a hack to get the G5's going, with panther being the proper OS. I think it's good of Apple to recognise this and provide the upgrade path.

M.
 
Well I am fairly new to the Mac scene (Owned since Feb.) and this will be my first OS upgrade. Our Mac Family has grown to my Feb 02 1Ghz iMac, my fathers Sept '02 1.25 Ghz iMac, my Sisters 1Ghz eMac and my new 12inch 1Ghz Powerbook. We are getting the 5 user license for 199. But my question is does Mac OS use a serial number or anything during the install like Windows? Or is it basically a good faith system?

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Re: Re: yeah but,

Originally posted by jer2665
if you wanted to play it on 2 or all 3 at the same time you would. well kind of. Cd copyright laws are a bit more lax than computer copyright laws i think, as you are allowed to make copies to back up for personal use, they dont' give you the option to do it with software. .
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The thing about music CDs is that an individual can't practically use two at the same time. With computers and software, using two copies of an application (and particularly an OS) at the same time is very common and easy to use.
 
Originally posted by bpd115
Well I am fairly new to the Mac scene (Owned since Feb.) and this will be my first OS upgrade. Our Mac Family has grown to my Feb 02 1Ghz iMac, my fathers Sept '02 1.25 Ghz iMac, my Sisters 1Ghz eMac and my new 12inch 1Ghz Powerbook. We are getting the 5 user license for 199. But my question is does Mac OS use a serial number or anything during the install like Windows? Or is it basically a good faith system?

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Good faith.
 
Originally posted by ryan
This is THE most asinine argument for software piracy I've ever read.
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thank you....sorry I will try and come up with a simpler one you might understand....two, two of steve and bill's children..ah ha ha ha ha ha...right the count from sesame street
 
Originally posted by lord_flash
As a new owner of a 15" Alu PowerBook, then I should say I wholehearteldy (and selfishly) agree with everyone who feels unfairly treated about the G5 thing. It goes against the whole 'year of laptop' thing of notebooks being just as important, yaddy, yaddy...

Still, yes, fair enough, it wasn't like I didn't know it was coming. And, dare I say it, what am I missing out on? (I'm certainly not going to pay full price to upgrade for a sprinkling of features that Windows had already and I nevre used nefore switching).

Why does Mac OS get updated so often? Apple seem to consider it a selling point that this is "the fourth major relase in just three years" - to me that means they're just helping themselves to £100 from loyal users every 35/40 weeks. Without meaning to start a fight, does anyone else think this is a bit rich?
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10.1 was a free upgrade. Nobody forces you to upgrade. Would you rather Apple stop making their software better?
 
Originally posted by ryan
This is THE most asinine argument for software piracy I've ever read.
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I'll have to agree on that. Man we hear some funky justifications for software piracy!
 
all the posts about legality, blah blah about running panther on more than one computer is moot. it's a license you agree to when install it. in the license, it says you agree to run it on only one computer per copy purchased. period. you agree to abide by it, so you can't really argue around it on moral or legal grounds. you aren't supposed to install and use it if you don't agree with it.

that said, apple runs on good faith. if you wanted to, you will have no problem installing a single purchased copy of panther on two computers and using them both at the same time.

just know that what you are doing is illegal and don't try to justify it on any grounds... it's the way software industy works right now and if you don't like it, you should complain to the companies...
 
Originally posted by ppk
I ordered a new PB from the on line store on September 16 (got it Spetember 23) and followed the link from the up to date page that allowed me to log in and get the update for $19.95 + shipping and tax ($25.39 total). Anyone who bought around that time may want to try this before shelling out big bucks.
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I did this as well and received my web order confirmation and delivery date of 10/24 😀
 
Originally posted by ppk
I ordered a new PB from the on line store on September 16 (got it Spetember 23) and followed the link from the up to date page that allowed me to log in and get the update for $19.95 + shipping and tax ($25.39 total). Anyone who bought around that time may want to try this before shelling out big bucks.
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It doesn't accept my serial number, maybe you just got real lucky?
 
I just took a very quick look at the Panther pages and I don't see Apple saying anything about improved performance. Is there anything on Apple.com about performance gains in Panther?

We've heard from developers who now say that Panter's UI is even faster than OS 9...It would be great to see some real stats and/or claims from Apple.

I'm just wondering what type of performance gains I'll see on a 1Ghz iMac? Any clues?

Thanks,
Brian
 
Originally posted by jxyama
all the posts about legality, blah blah about running panther on more than one computer is moot. it's a license you agree to when install it. in the license, it says you agree to run it on only one computer per copy purchased. period. you agree to abide by it, so you can't really argue around it on moral or legal grounds. you aren't supposed to install and use it if you don't agree with it.

that said, apple runs on good faith. if you wanted to, you will have no problem installing a single purchased copy of panther on two computers and using them both at the same time.

just know that what you are doing is illegal and don't try to justify it on any grounds... it's the way software industy works right now and if you don't like it, you should complain to the companies...
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does it count if you just click yes really quick and don't read the license? just kidding.
 
Take a valium them that feel Apple owe them a free OS upgrade.

If you just spent $000's on Macs, is another $129 really such a biggy for what is probably going to be the best value adding piece of software on earth.

When Panther is rocking I cant imagine getting too hung up about how relatively little I had to hand over for the pleasure of being at the cutting edge of OS technology for another year. And the money Apple get from me will hopefully ensure I can have the best OS next year and the next.....
 
Originally posted by pjhornak
When you buy a set of sheets and want to put them on a different bed in your house should you pay the company who made the sheets a "user fee" for "installing" them on another bed??? Do you get it? Does it seem silly now?
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Last I checked, you can only "install" a set of sheets on one bed at a time. 😀
 
Originally posted by ryan
This is THE most asinine argument for software piracy I've ever read.
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right, you and the riaa call it piracy the rest of the free world calls it fair use... the way you capitialized THE to emphasize your point was brilliant BTW
 
Originally posted by jer2665
does it count if you just click yes really quick and don't read the license? just kidding.
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i've heard about the legality of "click yes" type of licenses. it's probably not enforceable and if you really wanted, you could go to court and argue that it's not really an agreement if you are just clicking with a mouse. (i've read on /. a guy trying to get his windows license money back on a dell he purchased to run linux. he got caught in a mess of opening a cd package, license agreement, blah blah and had to go to a small claims court to get the money...)

all i'm saying is that there's not much room for legal or moral discussion about the validity of running a copy on two machines. it's something you agree to. whether such a policy is good or not can be debated, but if you run a copy on two machines, there's no argument that you are doing something illegal.
 
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