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Apple Announces Mac OS X 10.3 (Panther)
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macrumors 68040
You think Windows *any* Windows already has all the features Panther has? You'll be lucky if Longhorn whenever *that* will come out, last estimation: 2005 will do a half-clever job ripping off OS X (which will have moved on by then, of course). Just the most obvious example. Exposé. Where is it in Windows? Nowhere.
And yes, updating the OS regularly *is* a selling point if you add tons of new and exciting features and make it a lot faster every time. As "small" Windows updates are usually busy enough trying to fix security issues # 327.345-329.763, you certainly wouldn't want to pay for them.
Don't complain! File a class action challenging the license agreement!!!
Wait... installing the same SW on two computers that YOU own is being a pirate??? Wow, now that's a strained metaphor...
"ARRGGHH mateys... lets loot our own doobloons ( sp! ) from ourselves and give it too ourselves... I feelin' especially lucky today!"
You could argue that it was a violation of the SW agreement, but "piracy" is extreme... uh, oh... I have my CD in my CD player and a copy of that same song on my computers and my iPod... I really a rockin pirate!!!!
SilentPanda
Moderator emeritus
Don't they have a 5 user license pack for about $200? Saves a little if it works in a work environment... not sure if it's intended for home use only or not.
4 in 3 years just means the first 1 doesnt get counted. So it averages a year between releases and has been over a year since the last release,also 10.1 was a free upgrade. As for those who were unlucky to get their pbooks before the 7th at least you have yours. I like many Aussie's are still waiting for mine.
jxyama
macrumors 68040
nope. no fair use for software. it's a license you agree to.
with cds, it's interesting how things work in relation to copyright infringement.
take these two cases:
1) you make a copy of a cd you borrow from a friend for your personal use, you don't own the original cd.
2) you download songs via p2p from a cd you own to play on your ipod for your personal use.
did you know that 1) is legal but 2) is not?
when you make a copy of an original cd, regardless of who owns it, it's legal to use the copy for your own personal use.
downloadable file is a copy of the original cd and it is illegal for anyone but the original copier to use the file. if anyone other than the original cd copier uses the file, the original cd copier is no longer using the file for his own personal use and is violating the fair use principle. so even if you own the cd, you cannot download songs on it from someone else because the other person would then be no longer be using the files for his/her own personal use.
"fair use" is pretty hard to understand. just accept that it's just not legal to a copy of panther on two machines. that doesn't mean you can't do it but shouldn't try to justify it.
I've ordered my 15'' on september 18th...
...however, it hasn't been assembled or shipped nor have I been charged to my credit card yet.
Did I already puchase it then...? 😕
I hope not, since then, I will get Panther for free!!!
Maybe someone has experience with this?
...however, it hasn't been assembled or shipped nor have I been charged to my credit card yet.
Did I already puchase it then...? 😕
I hope not, since then, I will get Panther for free!!!
Maybe someone has experience with this?
Borland had an interesting take on the whole license agreement thing. They likened their software agreement to a book. You can have the software installed on as many computers as you like but like a book, it can only be used on one computer at a time. I believe this is more sane than the a copy for each computer approach.
Pirating v. Fair Use
You can make a legal fair use copy of your software as a backup in case the original gets destroyed (both the physical disk and the program running on the computer). Then you can reinstall the program on the computer or install it on a new computer if you have uninstalled (or destroyed) the copy running on the first computer. In fact, you can make as many fair use backups as you want, but you cannot run copies on multiple machines.
You, as an individual, do not get to chose what is fair use and what is not. The American people, as a society and through our government, decide what fair use is.
When people run multiple copies of software off of one license, it drives up the cost for others.
At least if you're are using software illegally, don't post it on a discussion board. Someday, Apple might decide to prosecute, and its lawyers are going to go after people like you first because you sit around bragging about illegal actions.
You can make a legal fair use copy of your software as a backup in case the original gets destroyed (both the physical disk and the program running on the computer). Then you can reinstall the program on the computer or install it on a new computer if you have uninstalled (or destroyed) the copy running on the first computer. In fact, you can make as many fair use backups as you want, but you cannot run copies on multiple machines.
You, as an individual, do not get to chose what is fair use and what is not. The American people, as a society and through our government, decide what fair use is.
When people run multiple copies of software off of one license, it drives up the cost for others.
At least if you're are using software illegally, don't post it on a discussion board. Someday, Apple might decide to prosecute, and its lawyers are going to go after people like you first because you sit around bragging about illegal actions.
jayscheuerle
macrumors 68020
What if you installed Panther on an external drive and would boot off that drive for two or more machines?
😎
Why oh why
Why can't they just make one copy cost $129, and then add like $20 per licence? 5 licenses for $200 is a bargain, if you have 5 people.
Now, here's a question, if I buy the 5 licence family pack, and I get 5 people together to buy it, that's like $40 per person. Great right? But only one copy of the media. Can I then legally make 5 copies of the media (one per license, right?) and give one copy to each licensee?
That seems more reasonable. I've got two Macs, my father in law has 1, and a good friend I just convinced to switch has one. Legally, could I sell the 5th license to someone with a copied set of disks (for $40, not for $129...).
What rules go along with these multi-user packs?
Thanks...
...Jim
Why can't they just make one copy cost $129, and then add like $20 per licence? 5 licenses for $200 is a bargain, if you have 5 people.
Now, here's a question, if I buy the 5 licence family pack, and I get 5 people together to buy it, that's like $40 per person. Great right? But only one copy of the media. Can I then legally make 5 copies of the media (one per license, right?) and give one copy to each licensee?
That seems more reasonable. I've got two Macs, my father in law has 1, and a good friend I just convinced to switch has one. Legally, could I sell the 5th license to someone with a copied set of disks (for $40, not for $129...).
What rules go along with these multi-user packs?
Thanks...
...Jim
ZildjianKX
macrumors 68000
Perhaps this was asked, but I couldn't find it.
Does the up-to-date program give you Panther in a retail box, or do they just ship you CDs?
Or do they give you a new "restore" DVD with Panther on it instead of Jaguar?
Tx.
Does the up-to-date program give you Panther in a retail box, or do they just ship you CDs?
Or do they give you a new "restore" DVD with Panther on it instead of Jaguar?
Tx.
I don't get your example. You say that #2 is for personal use and it is illegal. Yet your explanation talks about non-personal use. Please explain...
MoparShaha
Contributor
I literally woke up less than 3 minutes ago, and I've already placed my order. Yes, I'm that excited!
Re: yeah but,
The reason the license is only good for one computer is because it's, well, a license. It's not a criminal law issue, it is a contract issue: you are in effect buying a contract to use the OS on the computer, and that contract limits you to using it on one. Copyright law theoretically would allow you to delete Panther from one computer and install it on another, then delete it from that and install it on the first, etc., which would be the equivalent of playing a music CD on different CD players. But having the software running simultaneously on both isn't fair use, and so is not protected by law, and it is also a violation of the the license. If you don't like it, then take OS X off and put Darwin on. You won't get most of the benefits, and won't be able to run much of the software, but at least you won't feel cheated having to pay a licensing fee for each computer.
IANAL
The reason the license is only good for one computer is because it's, well, a license. It's not a criminal law issue, it is a contract issue: you are in effect buying a contract to use the OS on the computer, and that contract limits you to using it on one. Copyright law theoretically would allow you to delete Panther from one computer and install it on another, then delete it from that and install it on the first, etc., which would be the equivalent of playing a music CD on different CD players. But having the software running simultaneously on both isn't fair use, and so is not protected by law, and it is also a violation of the the license. If you don't like it, then take OS X off and put Darwin on. You won't get most of the benefits, and won't be able to run much of the software, but at least you won't feel cheated having to pay a licensing fee for each computer.
jayscheuerle
macrumors 68020
Re: Panther is a worthy upgrade
Not us beige G3 owners...
🙁
Guess I gotta upgrade my machine!
😀
But used G4s are way too expensive...
🙁
Guess I gotta sell a kidney!
😱
Not us beige G3 owners...
🙁
Guess I gotta upgrade my machine!
😀
But used G4s are way too expensive...
🙁
Guess I gotta sell a kidney!
😱
AiBook & Panther Up-To-Date
Figured i'd put a pointer to this thread in here seeing that some of you are in the same boat as i am.
Help Get Panther Up-To-Date for New Revision AiBook Buyers
Figured i'd put a pointer to this thread in here seeing that some of you are in the same boat as i am.
Help Get Panther Up-To-Date for New Revision AiBook Buyers
jxyama
macrumors 68040
if you make a copy from an original CD and use it for your own personal use, it's perfectly legal regardless of the origin of the CD. (yes, if you steal a CD from a store and make a copy of it, you are a thief but not a "pirate." 😀 )
mp3 (or otherwise) files on p2p is a copy from original CDs. let's say A rips a cd borrowed from B (which B owns) and C downloads it from A's computer. C also owns the CD.
since mp3 file is a copy of the original CD, A can use it for his own use, even if he doesn't own the CD. however, sharing it on p2p is not A's personal use. so A would be in violation of copyright if he puts the file on p2p. C is also violating the copyright by downloading A's file because it's a file intended for A's own personal use. this is regardless of C's ownership of the CD.
clearer?
arn - i am fairly certain i got this right. however, i'm now a lawyer so i can't be 100% certain. regardless, i'll stop discussing this further because it's off topic. I just get peeved when some people try to come up with justifications for running two instances of a single purchased software. that's all.
mp3 (or otherwise) files on p2p is a copy from original CDs. let's say A rips a cd borrowed from B (which B owns) and C downloads it from A's computer. C also owns the CD.
since mp3 file is a copy of the original CD, A can use it for his own use, even if he doesn't own the CD. however, sharing it on p2p is not A's personal use. so A would be in violation of copyright if he puts the file on p2p. C is also violating the copyright by downloading A's file because it's a file intended for A's own personal use. this is regardless of C's ownership of the CD.
clearer?
arn - i am fairly certain i got this right. however, i'm now a lawyer so i can't be 100% certain. regardless, i'll stop discussing this further because it's off topic. I just get peeved when some people try to come up with justifications for running two instances of a single purchased software. that's all.
ZildjianKX
macrumors 68000
Hey cool, the up-to-date program won't recognize my G5's serial number, and the mail form PDF is down. Awesome 🙂