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fairuz

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But apparently not 2012 Mac Pros...
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I guess they expect me to buy the new Mac Pro now that it doesn't suck. They seemed to go super out of the way to support the old cheese graters, as though they recognized people still loved them.

But they expect wrong. But I'm also not even the target user.
 
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duervo

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Sidecar is also mentioned as a feature of iPad OS, so to use the iPad as an external display, does it require iPad OS to be installed on the iPad and OS X 10.15 on the Mac?
[doublepost=1559615872][/doublepost]10.15 looks like it brings some great new features, but at the expense of losing 32-bit app support from my Mac.

Would it be straightforward to keep my current 10.14 installation on a separate partition in order to get the best of both worlds? And would files created on one partition be directly accessible from the other?

I would migrate 10.14 to a VM either in Parallels or VMware Fusion if I wanted to be able to continue to run 32bit apps. This would wholly depend on RAM requirements and availability though.
 
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Valkyre

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Uhm, what happens if your Mac is old enough not to support Macos Catalina and so itunes isnt replaced? I mean will I still be able to sync my itunes music with my iphone x that will run ios13?
 

jchilton

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"for those users who still prefer to own their music."

Or for those users who don't want to pay $10/month just to listen to the occasional track or put music on during a get together. Not everybody is a busy millennial with permanent plugs in their ears.

Exactly this. Many of aren't stupid millennials and like owning things rather than renting or sharing them.
 
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Jay-Jacob

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I wonder how they deal with iTunes library my desktop external drive?? Hmmm. Hopefully someone beta will know.
 

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Does anyone know if these new three apps will be available on older Macs and the old iTunes get pulled?

Crazy if they don't and if they don't how will iTunes still operate? It's like the App Store, there is no reason these and the News app shouldn't work on older machines.

Apple all about the environment and efficiency, there will be a lot of old MACs gone to the grave yard that might not need too.
 

Valkyre

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Does anyone know if these new three apps will be available on older Macs and the old iTunes get pulled?

Crazy if they don't and if they don't how will iTunes still operate? It's like the App Store, there is no reason these and the News app shouldn't work on older machines.

Apple all about the environment and efficiency, there will be a lot of old MACs gone to the grave yard that might not need too.
This is exactly what worries me as well. What happens to any machine that doesnt run Catalina? For example will you be able for example to sync your music/photos on your ios13 device from a El Capitan running Mac?

It will be absolutely crazy if Apple now forces you to have a Catalina supported Mac in order to sync your content with your ios13 device...
 

pavinder

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I would migrate 10.14 to a VM either in Parallels or VMware Fusion if I wanted to be able to continue to run 32bit apps. This would wholly depend on RAM requirements and availability though.
Would this be better than say cloning the current installation to an external SSD which could be used as an alternative startup disk?
 

toypadlock

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Exactly this. Many of aren't stupid millennials and like owning things rather than renting or sharing them.

oh piss off. it's not generational in the slightest. most of my 40yr+ old friends have completely switched over to spotify and streaming, whereas myself and my younger friends generally have "proper" music libraries of files we've bought or... acquired. your desire to make this into generational opposition says far more about you than it does about millennial culture.
 

Konigi

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The keynote didn't say a thing about whether there are improvements to the Messages app on macOS. There were rumours that effects were coming to the Mac, and I was really looking forward to it, along other options available on the iOS (perhaps not a complete iMessage AppStore but... yeah I think that's what I meant).

If they want their messaging app competing with Messenger and the like, they should provide the same user experience regardless of the device. Because it's one of its strengths to have SMS working on both your smartphone and your laptop.
 

whatgift

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Exactly this. Many of aren't stupid millennials and like owning things rather than renting or sharing them.
I'm not a millennial and sold all my CD's to go all in on streaming - I couldn't be happier. I've listened to 1000's of songs I never would have heard otherwise, discovered new favourite artists, and pay a lot less for music I actually want to listen to, rather than albums where I might only like a small number of songs.

On another note, will be disappointed if the new music app only supports Catalina, I guess that means I'll be using iTunes for Smart Playlists and music organisation into the future!
 

ReineW

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It looks just like it does in iTunes. They just took that part of iTunes, and moved it into Finder.

In fact, that’s pretty much what they did with all of them. They took the Music section from iTunes, ripped it out and made it its own app. They took the Movies and TV Shows sections from iTunes, ripped them out and made it one app. Then, they did the same with Podcasts.

Using the View menu in each of those apps, you can make each one of them look very similar to the views you can get within iTunes.

My one issue that I can’t figure out, and maybe that’s because it’s been completely removed, or maybe I’m missing a step or something: I cannot find my shared library at all in any of these new apps. I have a library that’s being shared from iTunes on Windows, and it doesn’t appear in either the new Music app, nor the new TV app in 10.15.
In the new podcaster app, is it possible to change the playback speed to 0.5x, 1x, 1.5x and 2x just like on iPhone and iPad?
 

Dr_Charles_Forbin

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That's why I came here also, guessing too many loyal iTunes Match subscribers like myself to ditch it.

Today's Keynote was excellent, last couple years have been pretty brutal IMO. They did not address iTunes enough for the hype of its demise. I also think iPadOS should have introduced multiple user accounts, especially since TVOS did.
I liked iTunes match at first - but it completely messed up my library because I thought I could move music to the cloud and download my originals back. It replaced versions of my music with other versions (like a live vs. studio version). Annoying as hell. If it worked for you, great.. I'm happy.
 

duervo

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Would this be better than say cloning the current installation to an external SSD which could be used as an alternative startup disk?

Either would work. It would depend on the person. There are pros and cons to either one. The weight/importance of each pro/con would also depend on the person.

Examples:

If doing external SSD, some pros and cons would be this: Pro would be speed. con would be cost of external SSD, having to reboot the system to load the other environment, and also having to carry more gear around (assuming they aren’t already carrying around an external SSD.) Another con could be potentially having to disable some security features related to the T2 chip in newer systems in order to boot from external media (I don't have a T2-enabled system, though. So this info is just from what I've read.)

If doing VM, some pros and cons would be this: Pro would be less expensive (not having to buy an external SSD,) having everything on one system, with no external requirements, no need to reboot host system to get into other environment. Con would be less system resources available in VM and on host system, because they would be split between the VM and the host.
 
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technopaul

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So what do we think this means for folks who use a NAS with iTunes Server for the new Apple Music App.
 

pslice

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There are a lot of questions about iTunes that Apple clearly did not answer. I love iTunes. I have a huge library. I subscribe to Apple Music. I keep my own back up library of music. Will they kill music we purchased through Apple Music? Are they going to charge us 3x the Apple Music Fee? Poor job of communication.
 

ojfl

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Really would like to know what my 12-core MacPros with 128 GB RAM and Radeon HD 7950 (unsupported) can't do that the MB Air 2012 (supported) can do. **** you Apple. Pure greed.

Seems like we have similar machines, and similar dilemmas...
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RIP
I guess they expect me to buy the new Mac Pro now that it doesn't suck. They seemed to go super out of the way to support the old cheese graters, as though they recognized people still loved them.

But they expect wrong. But I'm also not even the target user.

I guess I will not buy one either. I could justify paying 3,000 back in the day for a Mac Pro. I cannot justify about 6,000 for one now.
 
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dandeco

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Ooooh, my quad-core 2012 Mac Mini will be able to run Catalina! Glad to know I'll still be able to use that a little longer (but I still need to get a new Mac laptop to replace my late 2009 MacBook; I'll probably go for the new Retina MacBook Air.)
As for splitting iTunes's features into separate apps, I will admit that will make it a bit more convenient than having to use one app for my music library and the movies I purchase online.
 

fairuz

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Really would like to know what my 12-core MacPros with 128 GB RAM and Radeon HD 7950 (unsupported) can't do that the MB Air 2012 (supported) can do. **** you Apple. Pure greed.
Well, someone's already hacked Catalina onto the old cheesegrater Mac Pro. I'm fine just not updating until my OS goes massively out of support and I resort to hacks.
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Anyone worried about their iTunes libraries and Homesharing media would be wise to hold off on this update. The initial build of this will no doubtably be a cluster ****. There is no way I'm entrusting my years of music and media to "seamlessly" transfer over to the new app. It won't and will be a mess until they get the bugs ironed out months down the road.
Good advice. There's no rush; don't risk your stuff. I've breathed many sighs of relief seeing glitches that would've totally affected me screw over other people instead since I didn't update immediately. X3 for iTunes-related stuff.
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Exactly this. Many of aren't stupid millennials and like owning things rather than renting or sharing them.
I'm just glad this is the worst thing about "millennials" (anyone born after 1980?) you guys can come up with.
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"for those users who still prefer to own their music."

Or for those users who don't want to pay $10/month just to listen to the occasional track or put music on during a get together. Not everybody is a busy millennial with permanent plugs in their ears.
Yeah, my iTunes library has survived while many streaming services have risen and fallen, so I'll keep it. Also, often the places I want music most are where the Internet is the least accessible. Storage is so much cheaper than mobile bandwidth; I don't get why they don't at least cache things.
 
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ojfl

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Well, someone's already hacked Catalina onto the old cheesegrater Mac Pro. I'm fine just not updating until my OS goes massively out of support and I resort to hacks.
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Good advice. There's no rush; don't risk your stuff. I've breathed many sighs of relief seeing glitches that would've totally affected me screw over other people instead since I didn't update immediately. X3 for iTunes-related stuff.
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I'm just glad this is the worst thing you guys can come up with, cause you know what they say about those boomers...
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Yeah, my iTunes library has survived while many streaming services have risen and fallen, so I'll keep it. Also, often the places I want music most are where the Internet is the least accessible.

Wow, if it was that quick to make it work on the old Mac Pro one has to wonder why did Apple decide to give up on it...
 

fairuz

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Wow, if it was that quick to make it work on the old Mac Pro one has to wonder why did Apple decide to give up on it...
It's classic, been going on since 2010 at least. Apple always says some Macs are unsupported, then someone immediately hacks whatever it is onto those Macs and has absolutely no problems.
 
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