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Apple Announces Management Changes: Scott Forstall and John Browett Out, Ive and Others Add Responsibilities
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Browett out: good news; I never had the impression that he was the right choice. Glad that TC corrected his (mis)judgment on this original decision to hire him.
Scott out ? Not sure if good; a little bit competition in the senior management is good;
And for all those hoping getting a more customizable UI: no way. Sir Ive is an artist and will not allow us to screw his designs.
But let's give Apple a shot, it will for sure cause change; next year WWDC we will see some first results.
Scott out ? Not sure if good; a little bit competition in the senior management is good;
And for all those hoping getting a more customizable UI: no way. Sir Ive is an artist and will not allow us to screw his designs.
But let's give Apple a shot, it will for sure cause change; next year WWDC we will see some first results.
Forstall hasn't had a role in OS X development since he was put in charge of iOS. Blame Craig Federighi for that, the guy now in charge of iOS.
While you've brought up a valid scenario, I believe it's not applicable in this case. Nor am I speculating. Being very close to many within Apple for decades, while honoring their NDA's their is a certain buzz leaking out, surrounding these latest moves.
I'd prefer to think these were planned well executed moves by Tim Cook, who I trust & respect.
Yet the general leaks of why, are not encouraging. While no one is irreplaceable, Forstall was a great asset
to Apple, even though on more than one occasion he was made a scapegoat.
Time will tell.
He appeared (As well as rare behind the scenes looks at his design studio) in the documentary "Objectified" (a riveter from the creator of Helvetica) which was at one time available on Netflix.
As I look at my Power Mac from 2003 the same thought crossed my mind
Yet we still love them!
The same can't be said for iOS.
Ive design is seemingly timeless.
Give me a break. Nobody cares about the **** that you do not like Scott. Name something best you achieved in your career like what Scott has done in Apple....
Have to say I'm not digging the Forstall hate/bashing. Yeah, skeumorphism is a little cheesy but the guy was central to one of the most amazing things at Apple. His work on OS X alone would be amazing enough but it's pretty clear that iOS is the future of Apple and he's done great work on that as well.
Yeah, he's not on Team Apple anymore but I don't think that's any reason to start trashing the guy.
Yeah, he's not on Team Apple anymore but I don't think that's any reason to start trashing the guy.
The application is fine. It is actually very good. Like the way it lets you scale and rotate the maps absolutely smoothly. When you zoom in to a higher resolution map, this is done very well. It uses a lot less data for the same display than other apps do, which is especially useful when you're not on WiFi.
Now the data that it uses leaves a lot to be desired.
lol
UI/UX is a totally different field than Industrial Design (hardware) is a totally different field than Graphic Design
You think Ive would be an awesome Landscape Architect just because of his Industrial Design experience/talent?
Hm
Mixed bag as I see it.
Most of the leadership team at Apple are already well accomplished - Mansfeld is about to retire!
They've all done great things. Jony Ive sure has done a lot of great work, and continues to, but is he still at his peak that he can still take on the challenge both the hardware and software design? Is he down to take on the tonnes of extra work that come with that, when he's already powerful, rich, famous and knighted??? lol
Overall, to me, they're adding a lot to the plates of the old folks. The work load hasn't reduced, but the people has. Can these guys handle it?
On the other hand, kind of glad that Tim Cook is on the go-get-'er. New macbooks, new imacs, new ipads, new iphone, new ipods, new team.
Also sad to see Forstall go. Kind of sobering, one screw up and you're out. Doesn't matter how long you've been there, how much good you've done and how ingrained you've been into the culture...After the success of iOS 4 and iOS 5, he probably went on relax mode. Poof.
Mixed bag as I see it.
Most of the leadership team at Apple are already well accomplished - Mansfeld is about to retire!
They've all done great things. Jony Ive sure has done a lot of great work, and continues to, but is he still at his peak that he can still take on the challenge both the hardware and software design? Is he down to take on the tonnes of extra work that come with that, when he's already powerful, rich, famous and knighted??? lol
Overall, to me, they're adding a lot to the plates of the old folks. The work load hasn't reduced, but the people has. Can these guys handle it?
On the other hand, kind of glad that Tim Cook is on the go-get-'er. New macbooks, new imacs, new ipads, new iphone, new ipods, new team.
Also sad to see Forstall go. Kind of sobering, one screw up and you're out. Doesn't matter how long you've been there, how much good you've done and how ingrained you've been into the culture...After the success of iOS 4 and iOS 5, he probably went on relax mode. Poof.
Why would lilo777 have to use it to know it's the worst? lilo777 knows that everything from Apple is the worst.
So the guy who was incharge of Lion and Mountain Lion development is now running iOS?
I don't know if that's a great idea.
I don't know if that's a great idea.
Unfortunately that is inside the culture of US. All people care about is success, not how you succeed. People will trash you to hell when you fail.
we dont really know how far back this stretches.
but something tells me it stretches far back, and if bob mansfield is staying at apple, then i think maybe hes part of the reason too.
since jobs died:
there has been a split camp over the skeuomorphism.
bob mansfield then intends to leave the company.
iOS 6 release, not a successful release in comparison to past releases.
bob mansfield and ive obviously have a closer relationship, engineering and design of the physical product naturally means they have to work together.
i think forstall was at the center of controversy and problems, likely alienating the other higher ups and risking a split camp. potentially being a reason to push mansfield to wanna leave.
in the end, if this was part of it, then its obvious:
Tim could never afford to lose hes leading engineering expert, and his Lead designer of the products.
by the sounds of it, many apple workers werent confident or happy with don riccio taking over mansfields position, this could all be part of it.
but something tells me it stretches far back, and if bob mansfield is staying at apple, then i think maybe hes part of the reason too.
since jobs died:
there has been a split camp over the skeuomorphism.
bob mansfield then intends to leave the company.
iOS 6 release, not a successful release in comparison to past releases.
bob mansfield and ive obviously have a closer relationship, engineering and design of the physical product naturally means they have to work together.
i think forstall was at the center of controversy and problems, likely alienating the other higher ups and risking a split camp. potentially being a reason to push mansfield to wanna leave.
in the end, if this was part of it, then its obvious:
Tim could never afford to lose hes leading engineering expert, and his Lead designer of the products.
by the sounds of it, many apple workers werent confident or happy with don riccio taking over mansfields position, this could all be part of it.
Maybe Mansfield left because of Eddy and they needed time to find a way to restructure the company without him. If all the old timers have a unified vision they now have no opposition to move forward.
I know people who call themselves "designers" who are worse.
Maybe it's different elsewhere, but the developers I work with are all highly intelligent, and that get's you a long long way to doing anything well. However, good user interface design is a fulltime job. If you expect a software engineer to write good software and then to create a good user interface in his or her spare time, that's not going to work.
