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Apple Announces Management Changes: Scott Forstall and John Browett Out, Ive and Others Add Responsibilities

Hopefully Ive will overhaul iOS's tacky GUI and make it actually live up to Apple's hyperbolic marketing speak.
 
tigres said:
Swoosh before mail is actually sent.

That was the straw for me, and I suspect Tim when his failed and he never knew.
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I HATE THAT! Whose idea was that? Play the sending sound before it's sent... I want to slap that guy in the face.
 
Radio said:
you guys know scott is reading the blogs.

wonder how he feels when the majority of us fanboys are glad he's out :(

it's unfair because im sure he worked his ass off.
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I think Scott is counting his millions of dollars in stock and throwing darts at photos of Cook.
 
Nice Timing

If I was a stockholder, I'd be ticked off that they finally dumped that useless tool Browett like one day after he was handed a big block of Apple stock.

As a customer, I could care less - except to say that he never should have been hired to begin with. At least there is evidence that the Apple culture still has some life.
 
touchipods said:
The problem was iOS6 was boring and brought nothing new or exciting. In terms of the biggest iOS update in terms of new features: iOS1>iOS2>iOS4>iOS5>iOS3>iOS6
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How is iOS 3 above iOS 6??? All they added was copy/paste and a few other tiny details.
 
DrStern said:
As a customer, I could care less - except to say that he never should have been hired to begin with. At least there is evidence that the Apple culture still has some life.
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"couldn't care less" is what you probably mean.
 
iPhone was huge in 2007 in 2012 let's be honest it's just another smartphone, in that its on par or really close one way or the other to its competition. Most if us are in the ecosystem and makes no sense to jump ship, but I'd like a larger gap between iOS and android.
 
Well...guess that ends the speculation that Forstall, the snake oil like salesman, will be taking over after Tim Cook. To me it sounds like Forstall was trying to push his way into the CEO's chair and it perturbed Cook. Jony Ive probably also finally decided he's ok with the idea of being a slightly less than reclusive Apple CEO when he grows up.

Seriously though...the Apple interface, particularly Mac OS X's interface, has been getting more and more cluttered and less uniform. Ive and Forstall probably butted heads on interface design and Tim rightly chose Ive over Forstall. Browett probably just wasn't a good fit and after Apple shelved the Apple TV project he wasn't nearly as useful. I am waiting to see the other shoe drop and have Ron Johnson leave JCPenney to come back to Apple.
 
The Phazer said:
How the hell does iOS3 go near the end?

iOS3 was the only good update in terms of features - it introduced dozens of important things. People were crying tears of joy during the keynote.
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What?

iOS1- this brought life to touchscreen products and without Apple, Android and other devices would not be as advanced nor popular

iOS2- App Store was a huge addition-made everyone's iOS device different and unique

iOS4- Multitasking was huge and badly needed after 3+years

iOS5- iCloud, notification bar

iOS3- a decent update from iOS2. Not much changed but improved upon such as able to download movies and tv shows from iOS iTunes app

iOS6- brought nothing new or exciting compared to iOS5

Not sure who is to blame for iOS6. Certainly some is on Forstall but not all of it.

faroZ06 said:
How is iOS 3 above iOS 6??? All they added was copy/paste and a few other tiny details.
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Take a look at this article on iOS3 exactly how I felt then: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2009/06/hands-on-review-iphone-os-30-chock-full-of-changes/
 
Cougarcat said:
iOS 6 works the exact same way on the Mini, there wasn't anything to show. Even if they wanted to "prove" it was similar and maybe show off the new iBooks on it, there wasn't really any time with all the products they unveiled.
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Yeah that's true. I guess I'm just so used to Forstall talking at events it suprised me. ;)
 
touchipods said:
What?

iOS1- this brought life to touchscreen products and without Apple, Android and other devices would not be as advanced nor popular

iOS2- App Store was a huge addition-made everyone's iOS device different and unique

iOS4- Multitasking was huge and badly needed after 3+years

iOS5- iCloud, notification bar

iOS3- a decent update from iOS2. Not much changed but improved upon such as able to download movies and tv shows from iOS iTunes app

iOS6- brought nothing new or exciting compared to iOS5

Not sure who is to blame for iOS6. Certainly some is on Forstall but not all of it.



Take a look at this article on iOS3 exactly how I felt then: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2009/06/hands-on-review-iphone-os-30-chock-full-of-changes/
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What APIs did you wish would materialize for you to work around that didn't in iOS 6?

I assume you're not a developer because your statement that nothing new showed up in iOS 6 gives it away.
 
touchipods said:
What?

iOS1- this brought life to touchscreen products and without Apple, Android and other devices would not be as advanced nor popular

iOS2- App Store was a huge addition-made everyone's iOS device different and unique

iOS4- Multitasking was huge and badly needed after 3+years

iOS5- iCloud, notification bar

iOS3- a decent update from iOS2. Not much changed but improved upon such as able to download movies and tv shows from iOS iTunes app

iOS6- brought nothing new or exciting compared to iOS5

Not sure who is to blame for iOS6. Certainly some is on Forstall but not all of it.



Take a look at this article on iOS3 exactly how I felt then: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2009/06/hands-on-review-iphone-os-30-chock-full-of-changes/
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What about push notifications? That was a huge step forward for iOS. It really was a great innovation for iOS.
 
Jeaz said:
Skeuomorphisms has been part of user interfaces for as long as there has been computers, and will be there for probably as long as there will be computers.
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I don't think that the 110 baud ASR-33 teletype had any Skeuomorphisms, and it arrived long after the first computers.

495px-ASR_33.jpg
 
Small White Car said:
Give me a break. I've got a list as long as my arm about why I don't like Forstall. The fact that he did great things in the past means I should ignore these problems? How does that make any sense?

How about:

1) The sizable number of people I have met who are sticking with Snow Leopard for a variety of reasons? There had never been a new version of OS X that power users have shied away from in large numbers. Now we're 2 deep. Lion and Mountain Lion are certainly cool...but this is a serious trend problem. The power users are bellwethers, when looking at the future of Apple, this fact greatly disturbs me.

2) The skeumorphism. Need I say more?

3) The trend towards ridiculously un-touch-friendly interface elements in iOS recently. (See my first post for one glaring example, but it's not the only one.)

4) The ever-increasing unreliability of iOS and Mac OS. Can I tell you the number of weird things that happen for no reasons these days?

- When copying folders in Mountain Lion the icon rarely changes to the 'finished' icon when done.
- Whenever I sync my phone something dumb always happens, like it asks me if I really want to remove an app that I didn't remove.
- Apps are constantly sticking in the 'update' section of my iPhone despite the fact that they're already updated
- I recently couldn't update Mac apps from the Mac App Store without erasing and re-downloading them. The DRM refused to update them no matter what I tried.

...and YES, weird things happen to computers all the time, but I swear it was 1 a week back with Snow Leopard and now it's 3 a day. (And I'm talking about multiple Macs in a variety of locations so this is clearly software, not some problem with 1 machine.)

The quality of software coming out of Apple has been slowly sliding downwards over the last few years and I've spent a LOT of time thinking about it. This is hardly a 'whim.'


But hey, he agreed with Tony once, so it's all cool, I guess?
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1) People sticking to Snow Leopard.
- I used to have a 2007 Mac Mini with just 2 GB RAM. Ran fine in SL but the moment I updated to Lion it started grinding and whining and lotsa beach balls. Got the iMac recently, running Mountain Lion everything is smooth as it could be. Their latest iterations of the OS are hogs. They have put too much features into the OS(iOS stuff) that old Macs are struggling to keep up with the load. Does that mean Mountain Lion is horrible and buggy? Not in my personal experience. But more likely the price of added features.

2) Skeumorphism is subjective. There are going to be people who like it and there are some who are going to hate it. That's no reason for someone to just leave.

3) I have the same issue with "Unfinished" icons when copying large files. I agree thats a bug that needs to be sorted out. I haven't had any of the other issues you speak of. If there was genuinely an issue with the OS then woudn't everyone be facing the same issue?

4) Apple was a rebel with a very small portfolio. In fact it still is. Sometimes I wonder how they even dared open a store with a few number of products repeated over and over again in many tables. Now Apple is a huge company. I don't think even Apple was prepared for the onslaught of customer loyalty. They are struggling to keep up with the demand, competition and service. This is a company that was used to 5% market share and now is at 35%. So the smallest inconsistencies and bugs get amplified.

And to put all that on one man? He might have his own personality problems but he single handedly fought for the iOS platform and delivered again and again till the maps fiasco and other little bugs.

Are you saying that Tim Cook and others knew about the Maps only after NY Times and other media reported on it? Did they ever for example think before the release.."Hmm...maps is going to be out soon.. let me take it home and try to map say NY and see how it shows up". If they did, then they knew they were releasing a half baked product and if they didn't then they all need to be fired too. Who pretended they didn't know anything and it was all Scott Forstall's fault.

Anyways, I hate to see someone who was the backbone of the OS business at Apple leave just because a bridge shows up crooked on a map. And when did he become a map specialist anyway? He was just thrust that responsibility, me thinks.
 
H. Flower said:
I guess you're not a fan of analogue?

I think there was a certain nostalgia and warmth Jobs and Forstall appreciated with the skeumorphism. I didn't think it was always implemented the best, but there were certain advantages to it - mainly identity, and a certain organic element you're not going to get with digital display.

All I'm saying is careful what you wish for with industrial minimalism for digital interface. I mean can just see it now: "All these grey boxes are boring!"

Aside from that, Forstall should have been canned for making Apple a laughing stock over Maps alone.
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Excellent points...Personally, I really like skeuomorphisms....Those shouting for the removal of it don't realize that it's the skeuomorphism that has a part of making apple so popular....
 
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