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Apple Announces Multitasking in iPhone OS 4.0
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Glad I waited to update
I use the iPhone 3G and did not update to the 3GS just did not want to pay extra, so now that I am upgrade eligible weather or not a new iPhone comes out this summer I will upgrade to a new phone because the 3G is starting to get a little slower even after setting it up as new phone through iTunes.
I use the iPhone 3G and did not update to the 3GS just did not want to pay extra, so now that I am upgrade eligible weather or not a new iPhone comes out this summer I will upgrade to a new phone because the 3G is starting to get a little slower even after setting it up as new phone through iTunes.
As stated in the other thread. I am highly disappointed with the lack of multitasking on the 3G and iPod touch 2nd generation. The hardware supports it in jailbroken form, but Apple is choosing to not include it on this platform.
Shafting 3G owners and forcing ads into the free apps to suck a portion of the money dev's make with their own advertising. This seems like Apple screwing everyone royally.
I'm wondering how 3rd party apps will use this feature. I'm hoping its not going to give them the license to just bombard us with ads now. I don't mind free apps using ads occasionaly, like on startup. But I don't want to have to see them if I pay for an app, or have them come up randomly in a middle of game that I'm playing.
I'm surprised Steve is so excited about ads, since ads seem to be against the Apple simplistic and mimimalistic philosophy about things. Ads are complex and add annoyance to the user. No one likes ads, no matter if you make it all sleak looking, people still do not want ads!
I'm surprised Steve is so excited about ads, since ads seem to be against the Apple simplistic and mimimalistic philosophy about things. Ads are complex and add annoyance to the user. No one likes ads, no matter if you make it all sleak looking, people still do not want ads!
You aren't going to be seeing ads in the Calculator, Mail, or any of the built in apps. Apple is simply offering an advertising service--the same thing AdMob is already doing. Developers choose if they want ads, and then they can choose from AdMob or iAd (or any other ad services out there). Ads won't be in every app. To be honest, you probably won't notice too big of a difference. I'm guessing most of the already ad supported apps will either stick with their current ad service or switch to iAd. As a user, the only difference is nicer ads with built in games and video (if you click on them. you can always ignore them.). On and there will probably be more free apps.
Yes, this sounds really bad. But hopefully it'll look as intrusive as the Toy Story ad did in the presentation. It was just a little mini-banner at the bottom. Pretty harmless it they are like that. Now if they hijack your screen and force you to pay attention for a minute like video ads do...
They’re not shafting anyone. The update for 3G will be free (and for the Touch, optional) and hardware specs improve over time—it always happens. Buyers of the 4G iPhone will eventually find something even IT cannot run. Progress is going to happen.
And ads in apps have ALWAYS existed and always will—that’s nothing new. You need ads or else good, free content will not exist. It’s as simple as that. This way, at least it’s less hassle for devs, and probably for users too. It certainly can’t be worse than the free app ads we’ve long been used to. And devs who want to give away their work for free (and maintain it for free in future—yikes) can still do so.
Apple is NOT forcing ads into free apps.
I’m guessing RAM constraints are more the issue. A shame (I have a 3G) but I was expecting this.
And I’ve seen first-hand what a misery “multitasking” is on my friend’s Android phone. This sounds a lot better. Right down to the background audio services I’ve been wishing for, with mic support and popup controls!
If you try both in actual use, and compare app stores (in between killing tasks that are freezing the Android), you’ll be able to wait
As long as you can use AT&T! (But waiting might solve that limitation too... you never know.)Apple’s after usability, not bullet-points for a tiny vocal fringe of tech hobbyists. And thank goodness!
We can certainly imagine situations where 1900s-style battery-hogging brute-force multitasking can do a certain think that more modern and efficient solutions can’t. (There’s a laptop for that.) But there’s a constant stream of far more common and useful situations that old-style multitasking is terrible at. It slows down everything, and pocket devices have battery and CPU constraints that cannot be denied—which is why multitasking is such a mess on Android and others.
Although anything new makes people nervous, I suspect we’ll find this new multitasking system was worth the wait, and that its advantages outweigh the compromises.
Oh if only I were
Having a critical opinion about Apple's actions isn't trolling. The Palm PRE and Android UIs could teach Apple a lot about presenting information simultaneously, rather than just having one application on-screen at any one time.
Sorry but could you stop trolling, pretty please!
Having a critical opinion about Apple's actions isn't trolling. The Palm PRE and Android UIs could teach Apple a lot about presenting information simultaneously, rather than just having one application on-screen at any one time.
Yes, this sounds really bad. But hopefully it'll look as intrusive as the Toy Story ad did in the presentation. It was just a little mini-banner at the bottom. Pretty harmless it they are like that. Now if they hijack your screen and force you to pay attention for a minute like video ads do...
What is so hard about reading the information available?
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/live-from-apples-iphone-os-4-event/
Mobile advertising was imminent. Expect all smartphones to implement some method of mobile advertising.
It's not as bad as you think. We won't be forced ads. I suspect that the free 3rd party apps will use iAd while the paid ones will keep advertisements minimal or nonexistant.
It's not as bad as you think. We won't be forced ads. I suspect that the free 3rd party apps will use iAd while the paid ones will keep advertisements minimal or nonexistant.
Plainly, comprehension is not your strong point. I quoted Apple, directly, in the initial post. A user, using the Apple device for a half hour, will on average see 10 ads. This is from the boss, today.
Are you comprehending? Do you get it? You will be forcefed tons of ads when you use the device as intended. Reading is fundamental.
By the way, your answer is, cripple your device and "don't use 3rd party apps?" You call that an answer? LAWLZ. Good luck with that one, fanboy.
Android already does it
Is there any reason Apple couldn't do it as well?
And by the way, Apple doesn't include a rechargeable battery to address this issue because they want you to purchase another phone when your iPhone dies, rather than paying them to replace the battery.
Is there any reason Apple couldn't do it as well?
And by the way, Apple doesn't include a rechargeable battery to address this issue because they want you to purchase another phone when your iPhone dies, rather than paying them to replace the battery.
Yup, I'm one of those people. I get ads, but no multitasking??
Obsolescence? Remind me why you bought the iPhone 3G? Was it because it didn't do the things you wanted it to do at the time you bought it?
With the new OS, is there some feature your iPhone 3G has that it will no longer have?
So... by that token, cars with CD players made cars with tape decks completely inoperable?
Two applications on the screen at once? Theres like no screen real estate to do that, you wouldn't be able to see anything and even touch anything. This is a smartphone not a desktop.
Jailbreak and install Backgrounder. It works quite well on the older hardware. I can keep 2 or 3 programs running in the background without issues. Depending on the application and memory footprint.
The hardware has enough memory for limited multitasking. All apple would have had to do was put a limit of how many applications could run in the background, for the older hardware.
Guys, as a developer, I just took a look at the API diff and "what's new in iPhone OS 4" docs, and I saw some gems Steve didn't talk about !
For instance, Grand Central Dispatch is now integrated to iPhone OS 4 (!!!!!!!), and UIKit is now "thread safe"... those two tips make me think that the next iPhone will probably be MULTICORE!
Another interesting point in the doc, is the description of the new framework, accelerate :
"The Accelerate framework (Accelerate.framework) contains interfaces for performing math, big-number, and DSP calculations, among others. The advantage of using this framework over writing your own versions of these libraries is that it is optimized for the different hardware configurations present in iPhone OS–based devices. Therefore, you can write your code once and be assured that it runs efficiently on all devices."
I don't know you, but the word "DSP" is flashing red before my eyes!
Now that Apple master their own CPU production, I bet that the next A4 evolution that will ship with the new iPhone will be multicore and will get a DSP or the equivalent to the MMX addon the x86 have!
For instance, Grand Central Dispatch is now integrated to iPhone OS 4 (!!!!!!!), and UIKit is now "thread safe"... those two tips make me think that the next iPhone will probably be MULTICORE!
Another interesting point in the doc, is the description of the new framework, accelerate :
"The Accelerate framework (Accelerate.framework) contains interfaces for performing math, big-number, and DSP calculations, among others. The advantage of using this framework over writing your own versions of these libraries is that it is optimized for the different hardware configurations present in iPhone OS–based devices. Therefore, you can write your code once and be assured that it runs efficiently on all devices."
I don't know you, but the word "DSP" is flashing red before my eyes!
Now that Apple master their own CPU production, I bet that the next A4 evolution that will ship with the new iPhone will be multicore and will get a DSP or the equivalent to the MMX addon the x86 have!
The only major negative I can think of is the delay in this update coming to the iPad. I don't even need multitasking etc. but this is a major gripe for a lot of detractors and it seems poor form to kick off the iPad's lifespan with a delayed OS update.