My MBP 16 doesn't increase fan noise with 2 x HD monitors plugged in. I can barely hear it in normal use.
I think the problem may be related to 4K displays which would undoubtedly tax the CPU & GPU more, requiring more cooling.
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Apple Announces New 27-Inch iMac With 10th-Gen Processors, Up to 128GB RAM, 1080p Webcam, True Tone, and More
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My MBP 16 doesn't increase fan noise with 2 x HD monitors plugged in. I can barely hear it in normal use.
I think the problem may be related to 4K displays which would undoubtedly tax the CPU & GPU more, requiring more cooling.
I'm happy I don't have to pay more for the baseline. You save an absolute fortune just buying the chips you need yourself.
Its ergonomics will remain poor until the stand becomes height-adjustable. Like the butterfly KB, this is another unfortunate example of form over function.
Yes, you can buy a support to raise it, but if you need it lower you're out of luck. And no, lowering a height-adjustable desk (which I have) isn't a good option, since the desk height is (or should be) optimized for the keyboard and mouse, and you don't want to trade that off to dial in the monitor's height.
Yes, you can buy a support to raise it, but if you need it lower you're out of luck. And no, lowering a height-adjustable desk (which I have) isn't a good option, since the desk height is (or should be) optimized for the keyboard and mouse, and you don't want to trade that off to dial in the monitor's height.
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New?! Its a spec bump. Again. If I upgraded the spark plugs on my 10 year old car. Upgraded the breaks, put new oil in it, and cleaned the upholstery. Its not a new damn car.
Agree, but for less than 10% of the price of a new car, you get a good enough car that you can use for another couple of years. And you have no unknown issues hidden.
You can use a paper bag, the rest of us can use 4k
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Of course. But the only reason why Apple would update the 27" iMac without touching the 21.5" iMac is if the 21.5" iMac is making the jump (to a 24" Apple Silicon iMac) first. I'd imagine that a 30" iMac with Apple Silicon is to follow thereafter, but that Apple still needs time to match that 10-core 10th Gen behemoth's performance.
I'd even go so far as to guess that we're going to get a 10th Gen-based 16" MacBook Pro refresh before too long for the same reasons. All the low-end Macs (which are either running lower-end dual and quad core 10th Gen Intel chips or, more commonly running 8th Gen quad and hexa core CPUs) are ripe to make the jump to Apple Silicon first, which would explain Apple not caring about the 21.5" iMac this time. Otherwise, them not doing anything for it here makes no sense.
They're kind of at their thermal limits with the kinds of Intel CPUs that go into the iMacs. Any thinner and they'll have overheating issues. Makes much more sense to wait until the thermal envelope on an Apple Silicon iMac is WAY smaller. Otherwise, the only other option they have is to do a redo of the iMac G4, but that was a legendarily horrible thermal design (and you don't want that with an Intel iMac at this point).
I mean, that's the current rumor. And it makes sense. But again, the only reason I can see NOT TO update the 21.5" iMac AND TO update the 27" iMac is that the Apple Silicon replacement for the former is ready today and the Apple Silicon replacement for the latter will need another year or so in the oven.
I see something similarly likely to happen with the MacBook Pros. I'd guess we have another round of Intel 16" MacBook Pro (with 10th Gen) while the MacBook Air, 13" MacBook Pro, Mac mini, and 21.5" iMacs have all likely seen their last Intel refresh pending the switch.
To allow bootcamp window users one last chance to buy and maintain a mac for say the next 5 to 6 years.
I must be one of the few who still likes the current iMac design and doesn't mind the bezels? I have two of these next to eachother, the older one acts as monitor for the newer one. In my opinion it's a timeless design.
Target Display Mode? I've tried it myself like 10y ago only, and it may actually be a bit of a nuisance if you have to press the respective keys again and again. But it did work at the time. Maybe it still does; a quick Google search revealed it's still available and just needs the correct cabling.
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TDM doesn't work with retina iMacs, something to do with the timing controller if I recall.
I have seen a lot (14 so far) of friends ordering this one, they want to avoid ARM as long as possible for a variety of reasons and they make sense. For those who are saying wait and get 1st gen ARM, good luck and I look forward to your threads complaining about the issues.
Apple Silicon enabling entirely new hardware exterior designs is the least likely thing.
Apple is just lazy with iMacs when it comes to desing and hardware in general.
I'm certainly in the market for an ARM iMac next year (or the year after) but a lot of my business software runs on Windows and I've gotten used to the BootCamp option. Thus, this is a (tax deductible) buy after nine years with my 2011 iMac and its spinning disk HD and i5 chip. I figure the i9 is overkill (got it anyway), the 16GB video card is something only my Adobe people will use (got it anyway), and 4TB is just absurd (still bought it). Stuck with 8GB RAM (for the first week) because I see the RAM door has not been welded shut. If I get five or six years out of the machine and it ends up on a corner desk humming away, I'm good. The bezels are like the front grill on a lot of cars--all a matter of taste and tolerance. I don't mind the Apple logo. But I always appreciate the WIDE breadth of opinion on here and factor most of them into my purchase analysis.
It’s impossibly difficult for me to get excited about updates like this, even as a current owner of an iMac (2013 21.5” model that is close to neeeding to be replaced), given the knowledge that there will be an Apple Silicon version in the not too distant future.
I’m really excited for the future new MBP, MBA and iMac once the shift has been completed, in a way I haven’t been about changes Apple has made over the past 7 years. In addition to the iMac that I still use daily for work, now mainly for the screen size to work on large spreadsheets, I’ve got a 2013 rMBP 15” that my wife has been using for work and there just hasn’t been a good enough reason to update it over the past 7 years. I guess that says a lot about Apple quality and longevity, but it also is telling that there just hasn’t been a compelling reason to update over the past 7 years. Apple Silicon will be the change event worth waiting for.
Unrelated to the iMac news, it was interesting yesterday to hear my mother-in-law say, as she saw my iPad Pro on the table, that her next computer is going to be an iPad Pro. She‘s had two MacBook Airs over the past 12 years that have worked fine for her, but because she’s gotten so used to iOS on her iPhone (a 6+ I passed down to her) that she wants that experience on a larger screen going forward. I’ll probably pass my iPad Pro down to her once Apple updates it either later this year or early next year, which will give us both something to be excited about.
I’m really excited for the future new MBP, MBA and iMac once the shift has been completed, in a way I haven’t been about changes Apple has made over the past 7 years. In addition to the iMac that I still use daily for work, now mainly for the screen size to work on large spreadsheets, I’ve got a 2013 rMBP 15” that my wife has been using for work and there just hasn’t been a good enough reason to update it over the past 7 years. I guess that says a lot about Apple quality and longevity, but it also is telling that there just hasn’t been a compelling reason to update over the past 7 years. Apple Silicon will be the change event worth waiting for.
Unrelated to the iMac news, it was interesting yesterday to hear my mother-in-law say, as she saw my iPad Pro on the table, that her next computer is going to be an iPad Pro. She‘s had two MacBook Airs over the past 12 years that have worked fine for her, but because she’s gotten so used to iOS on her iPhone (a 6+ I passed down to her) that she wants that experience on a larger screen going forward. I’ll probably pass my iPad Pro down to her once Apple updates it either later this year or early next year, which will give us both something to be excited about.
Just for fun I went through the order process to see what I could trade in my 2019 model; same specs as yours; and it came back with $1180 dollars.
I get why Apple is phasing out the fusion drive; it was always just a cheap way to provide the capacity of an HDD with the speed bump of an SDD.
Still, I like the Fusion drive option because it allowed me to drop an 8TB HDD into my iMac to store my media library. It's much cleaner on the desktop than having an external drive, and much cheaper than $2400 for the 8TB SSD option!
I am interested to see a teardown of the new iMac to see if there's room to fit an HDD alongside the SSD. There may be, because the 8TB option might be more than one drive. If not, I'll just look for a refurb of a prior model - it's not like this new one is anything more than a refresh, and I'm upgrading from a mid-2010 so anything in an improvement!
To which I say - “Nuts!” For those of us who bought a top spec 2019 model, there’s seemingly no reason to upgrade to the 2020 unless we have a specific use-case for 10-cores, a nano-etched display or the additional GPU power. I see the addition of the T2 as a neutral to me. I feel less locked down and that I have one less vector to crash Catalina, but I forgo the HEVC transcoding speed up, Hey Siri support and other goodies. The 1080p webcam and three mic array is helpful, but not essential, even in this WFH environment.
I think for anyone coming from a 2009-2015 iMac who needs to update, this is a solid upgrade to get one last Intel Mac. If I have a 2017 27” iMac, I would be on the fence. Certainly 4-core Kaby Lake hasn’t aged that well, but if you have a good workflow and it works well day in and day out, why disrupt it to move to a 2020 iMac, when there should be 2nd gen AplSi Macs in 2022 that will be sorted out and better third party developer support should be the norm. Perhaps, then the disruption is worth it.
As for me, I’m holding on to what I have now and will probably even expand the DRAM to 64GB (it has 40GB now), and then run it into the ”No more macOS updates for Intel” wall before upgrading to an AplSi iMac. I am excited for Apple Silicon, but also ambivalent because of the advantages that Intel compatibility gives me in the here and now. That being said, Intel screwed themselves and I hope there is a dire reckoning for upper and middle management. I hope AMD can deliver on their promises, but I still don’t think they were the right choice for Apple. This transition is going to be interesting, to say the least.
I suspect they took the ability to add in a 2.5”/3.5” HDD Into the iMac, as it does look like they are using the 125w TDP i7 and i9 CPUs, along with the 5700XT (even downclocked), which will eat into the thermal envelope Freed up by the removal of spinning rust. Adding a spinning HDD into a Core i9-10900K/5700XT/4TB SSD model is a recipe for grilled cheese disaster, IMHO.
hmm... not bad specs for high end intel based mac
but aapl silicons coming - we will see - 2021 cant come soon enough for me
i'll let the experts find a way to run virtual pc on aapl silicon
but aapl silicons coming - we will see - 2021 cant come soon enough for me
i'll let the experts find a way to run virtual pc on aapl silicon
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This clearly shows, the lack of interest of Apple to innovate and how behind in design are compared to others.
This update is PATHETIC and a complete embarrassment.
The design looks so outdated that is ridiculous to even consider getting one.
The stand is non adjustable and the bezels are ugly.
IT is like doing a small motor upgrade on the same Car with exactly the same 8 year old body.
IT is sad, pathetic and beyond words that Apple truly does not care anymore about innovation.