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I suspect they took the ability to add in a 2.5”/3.5” HDD Into the iMac, as it does look like they are using the 125w TDP i7 and i9 CPUs, along with the 5700XT (even downclocked), which will eat into the thermal envelope Freed up by the removal of spinning rust. Adding a spinning HDD into a Core i9-10900K/5700XT/4TB SSD model is a recipe for grilled cheese disaster, IMHO.

Thanks! I hadn't thought about the heat impact. There are 2019s available with fusion drives and a 6-core processor - which is the driver for an upgrade; this old 2010 model is a workhorse but it's so slow at transcoding video - so that looks like my best bet.
 
There’s a reason iMac is by far the most popular desktop Mac 🙂

If you buy the $1,799 27” model you’re basically getting a free computer along with your awesome display.
Your comparison is pointless. You cannot use the iMac as a stand alone monitor.
Secondly, you are getting a 10 year old design computer. Who cares about the monitor when you are getting such an old design?
 
Its ergonomics will remain poor until the stand becomes height-adjustable. Like the butterfly KB, this is another unfortunate example of form over function.

Yes, you can buy a support to raise it, but if you need it lower you're out of luck. And no, lowering a height-adjustable desk (which I have) isn't a good option, since the desk height is (or should be) optimized for the keyboard and mouse, and you don't want to trade that off to dial in the monitor's height.

I get the VESA option so I can add my own support depending on my setup (display arm or table support).
 
Thanks! I hadn't thought about the heat impact. There are 2019s available with fusion drives and a 6-core processor - which is the driver for an upgrade; this old 2010 model is a workhorse but it's so slow at transcoding video - so that looks like my best bet.
It’s an educated guess...the internals may look exactly like a 2019 iMac sans HDD, but I’m guessing Apple actually had to go with a two fan layout this time to accommodate the 10th-Gen‘s TDP and the heat output of the 5700XT, which is not trivial. Hopefully, a tear down is incoming early next week.
 
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apple just gave me a reason not to spend money. Will continue to rock my 24in 2009 imac and get the 24in redesign with apple silicon, this way i can have a dual monitor setup where everything is even all the way across
 
But just because I might prefer separate components doesn’t mean an iMac isn’t a valid choice for others.

I agree all in ones have their place. It’s just odd to me that the premium “$1299” monitor is the only option - as I would expect people who *prefer* all in ones are not the enthusiasts or professionals that want that much monitor. (And for example you also can’t exactly match a second monitor)

In the more open PC Market single $1299 monitors are not very common for general use.

If you were going to buy that display anyway though, Other than the obscene price for ram and ssd upgrades, I agree that it isn’t a terrible value.
 
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Where is this talking point coming from? I’ve seen this “issue” posted multiple times in this thread.

Why the hell does it matter? It makes as much sense as people complaining about a free CPU upgrade... oh wait, they are :rolleyes:

Since when it became insignificant to be able to choose your storage size when you buy a computer? Specially an AIO like iMac you can't upgrade by yourself later?

Maybe my statement comes from the fact that you still can configure the storage in the cheaper iMac 21.5" and the two other iMacs 27" but not the entery level 27".

Maybe my statement comes from the fact that you have always been able to configure the storage HDD/SSD in all iMacs 27" since 2007.

I guess you're talking about the price of the SSD upgrade in 21.5" and that for the price you can get a Tier 2 iMac 27" with bigger SSD AND a better CPU. You're right about that and in that way it makes sense but before all iMac 27" had the same size of HDD. Now they have downsized the SSD in the first model making many to pay more for an upgrade.
 
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Your comparison is pointless. You cannot use the iMac as a stand alone monitor.
Secondly, you are getting a 10 year old design computer. Who cares about the monitor when you are getting such an old design?

People who care about getting work done, since that is the point of a computer, not to be an artsy conversation piece at a cocktail party.
 
But in 2020 Apple suddenly decided to cripple the storage options in the entery level iMac 27"?

It is not about crippling them, this is the last iMac you will see in this form factor and it won't be on sale for that long before the redesigned ARM iMac comes along. Apple don't want to be supporting too many different configurations on something that is not going to be available for that long.
 
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It is not about crippling them, this is the last iMac you will see in this form factor and it won't be on sale for that long before the redesigned ARM iMac comes along. Apple don't want to be supporting too many different configurations on something that is not going to be available for that long.


I guess you're talking about the price of the SSD upgrade in 21.5" and that for the price you can get a Tier 2 iMac 27" with bigger SSD AND a better CPU. You're right about that and in that way it makes sense but before all iMac 27" had the same size of HDD. Now they have downsized the SSD in the first model making many to pay more for an upgrade.
 
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Apple Silicon enabling entirely new hardware exterior designs is the least likely thing.
Apple is just lazy with iMacs when it comes to desing and hardware in general.

No it is the single most likely thing. I guess you don't know how design works at all.
 
But in 2020 Apple suddenly decided to cripple the storage options in the entery level iMac 27"?
As I said it makes no sense since they let all the other iMacs, even the old 21.5", still be configurable except the entery level iMac 27". Makes no sense at all. You can even still configure the storage in 21.5" Dual Core. Sure it's about crippling. That forces many to buy the next level iMac 27" giving Apple more money. The tier 1 and 2 iMac 27" are almost identical otherwise.

I expect the 3.1GHz 5K model is meant for "kiosk" installations where you have only one or two specific apps that are being run so you need no more than 256GB of storage. It also happens to hit the same $1799 price point. Best to think of it like the $1099 21.5-inch model that had a 1920x1080 display - meant for a specific task and not as a "true" member of the family.

The middle model for $200 more has a 512GB SSD and a faster CPU (each of which would probably have been a $100 upgrade on the 3.1GHz model) and the full range of upgrades - that is the true "entry level" model now.
 
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This is going to be my edit computer for a while, Im waiting till october though, going to keep using my current imac to work because the app I use is a mess in catalina still. I hope by then I can grab a refurb with the specs I want for a nice price. I got this 21.5 inch i7 used in a pinch to take on a bunch of remote work, but Im kind of hitting a wall with the ram already, and even with an external monitor I could use more real estate. Kind of regret not just getting an i9, but its working fine for now.
 
I expect the 3.1GHz 5K model is meant for "kiosk" installations where you have only one or two specific apps that are being run so you need no more than 256GB of storage. It also happens to hit the same $1799 price point. Best to think of it like the $1099 21.5-inch model that had a 1920x1080 display - meant for a specific task and not as a "true" member of the family.

The middle model for $200 more has a 512GB SSD and a faster CPU (each of which would probably have been a $100 upgrade on the 3.1GHz model) and the full range of upgrades - that is the true "entry level" model now.

I guess you're talking about the price of the SSD upgrade in 21.5" and that for the price you can get a Tier 2 iMac 27" with bigger SSD AND a better CPU. You're right about that and in that way it makes sense but before all iMac 27" had the same size of HDD. Now they have downsized the SSD in the first model making many to pay more for an upgrade.
 
Your comparison is pointless. You cannot use the iMac as a stand alone monitor.
Secondly, you are getting a 10 year old design computer. Who cares about the monitor when you are getting such an old design?

Who cares about a 'dated' (but still good looking) design when you're getting such a great computer and monitor all in one?
(see what I did there?)
 
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Yeh it’s silly but I assume that’s coz it’s soldered onto the mainboard and they only wanted to have a single, super-cheap-to-manufacture version of the board for that old-ass model and pair it with a regular old-ass HDD for extra storage if configured.
I mean on the 27 inch model.
 
This clearly shows, the lack of interest of Apple to innovate and how behind in design are compared to others.
This update is PATHETIC and a complete embarrassment.
The design looks so outdated that is ridiculous to even consider getting one.
The stand is non adjustable and the bezels are ugly.

IT is like doing a small motor upgrade on the same Car with exactly the same 8 year old body.
IT is sad, pathetic and beyond words that Apple truly does not care anymore about innovation.

The lack of innovation is in the design. The rest is progressing fine.
 
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You're right about that and in that way it makes sense but before all iMac 27" had the same size of HDD. Now they have downsized the SSD in the first model making many to pay more for an upgrade.

Well they dropped Fusion Drives in favor of SSD-only for the 27" 5K models. So the 2019 $1799 model had a 1TB Fusion Drive as standard and the 2020 model has a 256GB SSD as standard, instead.
 
I get the VESA option so I can add my own support depending on my setup (display arm or table support).
Do you have any thoughts on the Apple VESA option vs the various 3rd party VESA adapters that connect to the existing stand? Trying to keep my options open.
 
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